Democrats announce expanded Dream Act for illegals

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The GOP would filibuster it in the Senate and it would be dead. Like I said they need huge majorities to do it which is unlikely anytime soon
But Trump is building the wall using the emergency powers of the executive.

So unless you believe a democratic president would continue the construction of the wall (which I hope you don't) losing the presidency would effectively put an end to that. The only way the wall continues to be built if is Trump is re-elected.
 
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But Trump is building the wall using the emergency powers of the executive.

So unless you believe a democratic president would continue the construction of the wall (which I hope you don't) losing the presidency would effectively put an end to that. The only way the wall continues to be built if is Trump is re-elected.
In 5 years it should be done. There are places they will never put the wall
 
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In 5 years it should be done. There are places they will never put the wall
But another 5 years of construction is dependent on the reelection of Trump. If he should lose then construction on that wall is going to end. So if the democrats win the Presidency in 2020 the wall will be stopped. That's what I am saying to you. They don't have to win a filibuster proof majority in the senate to stop the wall.
 
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But another 5 years of construction is dependent on the reelection of Trump. If he should lose then construction on that wall is going to end. So if the democrats win the Presidency in 2020 the wall will be stopped. That's what I am saying to you. They don't have to win a filibuster proof majority in the senate to stop the wall.
Who do you think can beat him? So you think the GOP will allow the Democrats to keep open borders? The GOP know that would end their chances in elections for years to come
 
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Who do you think can beat him?
I believe any black or brown-skinned candidate who runs on a national healthcare service has a chance to beat Trump. I would even throw Bernie Sanders into that mix - especially if he picks a "minority" to be on the ticket should he win the primary. And Sanders has given ever indication (much to my dismay) he is fully prepared to pander to identity politics this time around to win. I abhor it - but I can't deny it's a wise tactic for him politically.
 
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I believe any black or brown-skinned candidate who runs on a national healthcare service has a chance to beat Trump. I would even throw Bernie Sanders into that mix - especially if he picks a "minority" to be on the ticket should he win the primary. And Sanders has given ever indication (much to my dismay) he is fully prepared to pander to identity politics this time around to win. I abhor it - but I can't deny it's a wise tactic for him politically.
So you think we will become a socialist country? The people know it is Democrats that are stopping any change right now in healthcare. If the Democrats do not show an actual plan it means nothing. Most know medicare for all will not work
 
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So you think we will become a socialist country? The people know it is Democrats that are stopping any change right now in healthcare. If the Democrats do not show an actual plan it means nothing. Most know medicare for all will not work
Socialism is when the Government owns production. It's not when the Government provides services to the public - which is actually a responsibility of our Government mandated by our constitution. That it's "socialism" is just a conservative talking point meant to scare people. It really has no basis in fact.

Whether it can work or not remains to be seen. It works in most other developed countries which have some from of universal healthcare so I fail to see why we should be the lone exception to that. So I believe it can work here so long as it's effectively and responsibly managed. Though I'll admit that may be asking a lot considering how naive and stupid the democrats are - such as wanting to provide illegal immigrants with national healthcare coverage which would encourage even more millions to sneak across our border. And considering they have torn down the border walls and abolished ICE there would be nothing to stop them from coming. We would basically turn into the free healthcare clinic for the entire third world. lol...

So I can't challenge your claim it wouldn't work under the democrats. It probably wouldn't. But it's still a very popular policy and can win elections.
 
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Socialism is when the Government owns production. It's not when the Government provides services to the public - which is actually a responsibility of our Government mandated by our constitution. That it's "socialism" is just a conservative talking point meant to scare people. It really has no basis in fact.

Whether it can work or not remains to be seen. It works in most other developed countries which have some from of universal healthcare so I fail to see why we should be the lone exception to that. So I believe it can work here so long as it's effectively and responsibly managed. Though I'll admit that may be asking a lot considering how naive and stupid the democrats are - such as wanting to provide illegal immigrants with national healthcare coverage which would encourage even more millions to sneak across our border. And considering they have torn down the border walls and abolished ICE there would be nothing to stop them from coming. We would basically turn into the free healthcare clinic for the entire third world. lol...

So I can't challenge your claim it wouldn't work under the democrats. It probably wouldn't. But it's still a very popular policy and can win elections.
You sound like you still believe the democrat lies. Show me healthcare and welfare and food stamps in the constitution. You need to go back to the original constitution before the amendments were added
It does not work. Look at Canada and England
 
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You sound like you still believe the democrat lies. Show me healthcare and welfare and food stamps in the constitution. You need to go back to the original constitution before the amendments were added
It does not work. Look at Canada and England
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States

That's from our original constitution. That's not a democratic lie. So the constitution clearly gives congress the power to collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Let me ask you this - why do you think it's socialism for the Government to provide a healthcare service to all its citizens yet it's not socialism for it to provide educational services or police services to its citizens? What's the difference? Why is healthcare uniquely socialist in your mind?
 
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States

That's from our original constitution. That's not a democratic lie. So the constitution clearly gives congress the power to collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States.

Let me ask you this - why do you think it's socialism for the Government to provide a healthcare service to all its citizens yet it's not socialism for it to provide educational services or police services to its citizens? What's the difference? Why is healthcare uniquely socialist in your mind?
Of the united states that is the government, not programs to help the poor. Don't act like a democrat and try to take it out of context. Because it government run healthcare is control over the people it takes choices away from you. It is a socialist program. You show you still think like a Democrat. You sound like Obama. You did not get there on your own.