Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists'

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"Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party"

Hopefully this will settle Democrats down and dismiss the Bernie faction so they can get down to business. Progressive have never been a factor and it seems to remain true that left leaning moderates can save our asses again. It is a shame we have to go through this now and then but hopefully the results being in allows time to adjust the attitudes to having a moderate Social Liberal message that the majority of moderates who decide elections will continue responding too. Kudos to the Democratic voters in these areas who show they get it! My hat is off to you.

"While progressives hoping for tide-shifting victories by progressive insurgents such as Dr. Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and Cori Bush in Missouri were forced to watch their hopes dashed late Tuesday as their candidates came up short against more moderate rivals, is the real takeaway from the series of Midwestern primaries that it was a "fantastic night for centrist Democrats" or that progressives cannot win running on bold, visionary platforms?"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/08/despite-some-losses-progressives-fantastic-night-centrists-framing-misses-point
 
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"Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party"

Hopefully this will settle Democrats down and dismiss the Bernie faction so they can get down to business. Progressive have never been a factor and it seems to remain true that left leaning moderates can save our asses again. It is a shame we have to go through this now and then but hopefully the results being in allows time to adjust the attitudes to having a moderate Social Liberal message that the majority of moderates who decide elections will continue responding too. Kudos to the Democratic voters in these areas who show they get it! My hat is off to you.

"While progressives hoping for tide-shifting victories by progressive insurgents such as Dr. Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and Cori Bush in Missouri were forced to watch their hopes dashed late Tuesday as their candidates came up short against more moderate rivals, is the real takeaway from the series of Midwestern primaries that it was a "fantastic night for centrist Democrats" or that progressives cannot win running on bold, visionary platforms?"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/08/despite-some-losses-progressives-fantastic-night-centrists-framing-misses-point
Good article, but I think you missed the point of it, beginning with the headline.

Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists' Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party

Point being, that "Fantastic Night for Centrists" is being willfully blind to what's going on in the Democratic party. It repeats the all too common chorus of congratulating the "centrists" and wagging the finger at those who refuse to shift to the right. Politics is always being framed this way. Democrats need to move to the right (aka the center) so they can be "viable". But these elections, despite some losses for progressive candidates, shows that the progressive wing is growing, and succeeding where people thought it wouldn't.

The article finishes by concluding

"And as many others noted online, these races signify just the start—not the end—of a new progressive movement that is being carried by momentum that is `undeniable.’ "
 
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Good article, but I think you missed the point of it, beginning with the headline.

Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists' Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party

Point being, that "Fantastic Night for Centrists" is being willfully blind to what's going on in the Democratic party. It repeats the all too common chorus of congratulating the "centrists" and wagging the finger at those who refuse to shift to the right. Politics is always being framed this way. Democrats need to move to the right (aka the center) so they can be "viable". But these elections, despite some losses for progressive candidates, shows that the progressive wing is growing, and succeeding where people thought it wouldn't.

The article finishes by concluding

"And as many others noted online, these races signify just the start—not the end—of a new progressive movement that is being carried by momentum that is `undeniable.’ "
I didn't miss what the two possible conclusions were but I'm pragmatic in saying it will be the successes and not the failures that will define the party. Thus far progressives are not doing well in most races with one headline exception that only matched her district. I have no doubt that there will be some few other progressive districts that elect a progressive but the winners are fundamentally left moderates. If candidates can't get past left moderate voters, they can't win elections against republicans in moderate districts which are by and large what most districts are made up of. We will know in November how these races turn out for each of them. Progressives can blame Democrats but they are the ones losing and may have to adjust their stands to a more realistic format. If this country were progressive I'd be jumping up and down with joy...it isn't and that has nothing to do with Democrats. That Social Liberal stand of Democrats still has great meaning but even more so now that we are seeing the results of 2016 played out daily so I am not willing to trade that Social Liberal stand for the unproven pie in the sky.
 
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I didn't miss what the two possible conclusions were but I'm pragmatic in saying it will be the successes and not the failures that will define the party. Thus far progressives are not doing well in most races with one headline exception that only matched her district. I have no doubt that there will be some few other progressive districts that elect a progressive but the winners are fundamentally left moderates. If candidates can't get past left moderate voters, they can't win elections against republicans in moderate districts which are by and large what most districts are made up of. We will know in November how these races turn out for each of them. Progressives can blame Democrats but they are the ones losing and may have to adjust their stands to a more realistic format. If this country were progressive I'd be jumping up and down with joy...it isn't and that has nothing to do with Democrats. That Social Liberal stand of Democrats still has great meaning but even more so now that we are seeing the results of 2016 played out daily so I am not willing to trade that Social Liberal stand for the unproven pie in the sky.
Well I'm not sure there is a good instrument to measure someone's progressiveness, but Ocasio-Cortez endorsed James Thompson, Jamie Schoolcraft, Matt Morgan, Rashida Tlaib, and Robert Davidson, and they all won. I'm sure she endorsed plenty that didn't win, but that's not nothing.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by social liberal. What do social liberals support that so called progressives don't? Aren't they all liberal, and one says "we can achieve it" and the other says "but not yet"?
 
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Good article, but I think you missed the point of it, beginning with the headline.

Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists' Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party

Point being, that "Fantastic Night for Centrists" is being willfully blind to what's going on in the Democratic party. It repeats the all too common chorus of congratulating the "centrists" and wagging the finger at those who refuse to shift to the right. Politics is always being framed this way. Democrats need to move to the right (aka the center) so they can be "viable". But these elections, despite some losses for progressive candidates, shows that the progressive wing is growing, and succeeding where people thought it wouldn't.

The article finishes by concluding

"And as many others noted online, these races signify just the start—not the end—of a new progressive movement that is being carried by momentum that is `undeniable.’ "
My two cents is that in order to get elected nationally, most candidates must appeal to the centrists. So often times when a GOP is president or holds congress, the more centrists tend to do very well and win while the progressives get sent to the back burner. Then when democrats get in, they try to push forward again only to be squashed by the GOP when they start yelling "socialists!" So in many ways both parties are indeed marching right to some extent because they have to in order to get elected. Some ideas may get pushed forward but then the voters do the usual yo yo voting and vote them out and the GOP wins again. Republicans are better at getting their fringe elected because they typically coalesce around them at election time whereas democrats cant. Some will go off and vote for the Green party or whatever.
 
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My two cents is that in order to get elected nationally, most candidates must appeal to the centrists. So often times when a GOP is president or holds congress, the more centrists tend to do very well and win while the progressives get sent to the back burner. Then when democrats get in, they try to push forward again only to be squashed by the GOP when they start yelling "socialists!" So in many ways both parties are indeed marching right to some extent because they have to in order to get elected. Some ideas may get pushed forward but then the voters do the usual yo yo voting and vote them out and the GOP wins again. Republicans are better at getting their fringe elected because they typically coalesce around them at election time whereas democrats cant. Some will go off and vote for the Green party or whatever.
I think Trump has changed things for the Democrats too though. I wouldn't want to try to run as a 3rd party in the post Trump / Clinton environment. After the drubbing the GOP and conservatives have delivered in the past 10 years... I just can't see it. This is the new rule.

[video=youtube;W-A09a_gHJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc[/video]

This replaced Reagan's eleventh commandment.
 
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Good article, but I think you missed the point of it, beginning with the headline.

Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists' Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party

Point being, that "Fantastic Night for Centrists" is being willfully blind to what's going on in the Democratic party. It repeats the all too common chorus of congratulating the "centrists" and wagging the finger at those who refuse to shift to the right. Politics is always being framed this way. Democrats need to move to the right (aka the center) so they can be "viable". But these elections, despite some losses for progressive candidates, shows that the progressive wing is growing, and succeeding where people thought it wouldn't.

The article finishes by concluding

"And as many others noted online, these races signify just the start—not the end—of a new progressive movement that is being carried by momentum that is `undeniable.’ "

I agree that both parties are a bit too far to the right for my tastes. That said, pushing left-wing extremism isn't what's going to change that. It didn't work in the '60s, and it won't work today. If we see any movement to the left, it will be incremental, and it will be due to left-leaning voters supporting the Democratic Party through thick and thin. If progressives can't bring themselves to support the party because it fails to meet their expectations for bringing about "the revolution", then Republicans will continue to kick the Democrats' asses at the polls and we will continue to drift, ever so slowly and steadily, to the right.
 
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"Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party"

Hopefully this will settle Democrats down and dismiss the Bernie faction so they can get down to business. Progressive have never been a factor and it seems to remain true that left leaning moderates can save our asses again. It is a shame we have to go through this now and then but hopefully the results being in allows time to adjust the attitudes to having a moderate Social Liberal message that the majority of moderates who decide elections will continue responding too. Kudos to the Democratic voters in these areas who show they get it! My hat is off to you.

"While progressives hoping for tide-shifting victories by progressive insurgents such as Dr. Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and Cori Bush in Missouri were forced to watch their hopes dashed late Tuesday as their candidates came up short against more moderate rivals, is the real takeaway from the series of Midwestern primaries that it was a "fantastic night for centrist Democrats" or that progressives cannot win running on bold, visionary platforms?"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/08/despite-some-losses-progressives-fantastic-night-centrists-framing-misses-point
I will never understand why you want to prevent universal health care, etc., in this country.

I honest to God just do not get it.

Meanwhile, it's a handful of special election results, not the prophecy of the Oracle of Delphi.

It's still possible to save the American middle class from voters like you. Probably not going to happen, but no sense in giving up just because the right thing to do is fucking hard.
 
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My two cents is that in order to get elected nationally, most candidates must appeal to the centrists. So often times when a GOP is president or holds congress, the more centrists tend to do very well and win while the progressives get sent to the back burner. Then when democrats get in, they try to push forward again only to be squashed by the GOP when they start yelling "socialists!" So in many ways both parties are indeed marching right to some extent because they have to in order to get elected. Some ideas may get pushed forward but then the voters do the usual yo yo voting and vote them out and the GOP wins again. Republicans are better at getting their fringe elected because they typically coalesce around them at election time whereas democrats cant. Some will go off and vote for the Green party or whatever.
This is the method for winning political power and then being completely impotent in office to help anyone other than the 0.01%.

Not seeing the "good news" in this information.
 
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I will never understand why you want to prevent universal health care, etc., in this country.

I honest to God just do not get it.

Meanwhile, it's a handful of special election results, not the prophecy of the Oracle of Delphi.

It's still possible to save the American middle class from voters like you. Probably not going to happen, but no sense in giving up just because the right thing to do is fucking hard.

You really think you can convert Min into a Republican?

I doubt it.
 
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