Do you think that Mueller has audio recordings of Trump encouraging Cohen and/or Manafort to conspire with Russians?

Do you think that Mueller has audio recordings of Trump encouraging Cohen and/or Manafort to conspir


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Rasselas

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Predictions based on knowledge and experience are often proven right.
I can't prove that the sun will come up tomorrow but I do predict it.
Yes you can prove the sun will come up tomorrow. It's called "inductive reasoning." But in order to induce a fact, one needs consistent experience of it. I think we can say that Mueller has more evidence than he's yet revealed--that's what prosecutors do and there is evidence of this in the fact of redactions. We can also trust that someone like Mueller isn't just wasting everyone's time and money on nothing. But exactly what it is....no one can reasonably say.
 

Rasselas

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No, we don't, and I wont even speculate on what his "blue dress" evidence consists of, it could be audio recordings, written or email texts, or anything else incriminating we can imagine. But I think he has "something", even though I don't know exactly what, to support charges against this administration.
I agree. But even very smart, experienced scienists and social scientists find their predictions are badly wrong once evidence comes to light. Best to be humble and wait for the evidence. Our prediction making will have exactly zero effect on the outcome.
 

Devil505

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Yes you can prove the sun will come up tomorrow. It's called "inductive reasoning." .
There is no way to "Prove" anything will happen in the future.



But in order to induce a fact, one needs consistent experience of it. I think we can say that Mueller has more evidence than he's yet revealed--that's what prosecutors do and there is evidence of this in the fact of redactions. We can also trust that someone like Mueller isn't just wasting everyone's time and money on nothing. But exactly what it is....no one can reasonably say.
No one can prove what Mueller has but we can reasonable predict with some measure of confidence.
That's what I have done.
 

Rasselas

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There is no way to "Prove" anything will happen in the future.
Nonsense. We all operate under the assumption that day will follow night. It's proven to everyone's satisfaction.
No one can prove what Mueller has but we can reasonable predict with some measure of confidence.
That's what I have done.
No. You've expressed certainty about something over which you can only speculate. You don't have enough evidence to engage in inductive reasoning here.

Your intention is to be provocative. That's all.
 
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What I do think, the money couldn't be take out/transferred without Trump's signature.

That is proof.

Construction projects see large amounts of money taken out, and there are connect to a project he is building. These withdraws cannot be linked to anything but two porn stars. No one would authorize a private payment but Trump $130,000 to be withdraw for one person not connect to any on going project, could't be done by accounting. This would need his personl approval That proof is out there and it is in the bank records
 
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What I do think, is the money couldn't be take out/transferred without Trump's signature.

That is proof. Construction projects see larges amounts of money taken out, and there are connect to a curretn project he is building. This withdraw cannot be linked to anything but two porn stars. No one would could authorize a private payment but Trump $130,000 to be withdraw for one person, would need his approva. That proof is out there.
And Mueller has it...
 
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I remember when they first played audio on the news. You could tell it was the other way around and Cohen was telling Trump cash and Trump said "no cash, check". Then later audio was barely audible if the same event. I guess I was fortunate to hear it the first time it was put it on the news before it got messed with.
 
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Still unsure if the money paid to both Stormy or the National Enquirer will be enough. It could be depending on how it was orchestrated. But I do envision some sort of, "I had to do it as it would have hurt me as CEO of Trump Org.." Its possible we could find a history of him doing this over the years to protect the Trump name and trademark. If they can distance itself from politics his legal team may have a chance to make a case.
 
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Why would Trump want a paper trail if it was illegal actions by saying no cash, check after Cohen tells Trump cash? Honestly I wish they out as much effort into Hillary and O. There is some real issues there. And you call us dumb. Lol
 

Devil505

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Nonsense. We all operate under the assumption that day will follow night. It's proven to everyone's satisfaction.
No. You've expressed certainty about something over which you can only speculate. You don't have enough evidence to engage in inductive reasoning here.

Your intention is to be provocative. That's all.
I assume you are talking about this post:
In which I state strong belief that Mueller has what I think he has.
I meant that not as proof but as the level of belief I have in my prediction.

Being provocative on a political forum is not a bad thing. It provokes thinking and debate.
 
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