Econ Students Debunk Study Showing Drastic Rise in Hate Crimes Following Trump Rallies

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two economic students, huh? why believe two economic students? were Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas, Jr. not available? They probably know more about how to conduct a scientific study on hate crimes than two economics students...why did the National Review, a lying ass right wing media site, choose to believe two students who majored in economics over the scientific study conducted by real experts, not economic graduates? And why do silly ass trump voters believe the lying ass National Review when they tell them two graduate students in economics should be believed over real experts? besides the fact their head is so far up trump's bloated posterior? riddle me that.

now for some facts to go with your usual right wing lies-

"In 2016, counties hosting a Trump rally saw a 226% spike in hate crimes," reads a post on Facebook from the presidential campaign of Bernie Sanders.

The authors told PolitiFact that the paper is currently under peer review for publication in an academic publication. The authors presented it in 2019 at meetings of both the Southern Political Science Association and the Western Political Science Association.
Here’s how the authors summarized their work in the Post:
Using the Anti-Defamation League’s Hate, Extremism, Anti-Semitism, Terrorism map data (HEAT map), we examined whether there was a correlation between the counties that hosted one of Trump’s 275 presidential campaign rallies in 2016 and increased incidents of hate crimes in subsequent months.
To test this, we aggregated hate-crime incident data and Trump rally data to the county level and then used statistical tools to estimate a rally’s impact. We included controls for factors such as the county’s crime rates, its number of active hate groups, its minority populations, its percentage with college educations, its location in the country and the month when the rallies occurred.
We found that counties that had hosted a 2016 Trump campaign rally saw a 226% increase in reported hate crimes over comparable counties that did not host such a rally.



The phrasing used by Sanders implies that hate crimes spiked in one jurisdiction, jumping from one level before the rally to a rate three times higher afterward. That’s not the case. As the study summary says, the 226% difference compares Trump-rally counties to non-Trump rally counties with similar demographics.
So a more accurate phrasing might be: "Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally had 226% more hate crimes than counties that did not."


Our ruling
Sanders’ post said, "In 2016, counties hosting a Trump rally saw a 226% spike in hate crimes."
This is from an academic study. However, it’s worth noting some caveats -- that the data can be subject to "statistical noise" and jurisdictional differences in hate crime definitions and police aggressiveness, and that cause and effect are hard to pinpoint.
Perhaps most important is that Sanders’ wording implies that the 226% jump stems from comparing hate crimes before and after a Trump rally within the same county, when in fact it’s a comparison from Trump rally counties to similar counties that did not host a Trump rally.
The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details, so we rate it Half True.

Did counties with Trump rally see 226% spike in hate crimes?
Mr. Jim,

True, why trust a study done by two guys with backgrounds in statistics, and data interpretation?
 
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Seems that this would in fact be factually correct. The left would make up the lie about it, as that is how they roll, though it is now debunked.


A study purporting to show area hate crimes tended to spike following Trump rallies, which went viral earlier this year, is fatally flawed in its methodology, according to a new analysis by two economics P.h.D. students at Harvard University.​
The study, which found a 226 percent increase in white-nationalist propaganda and hate crimes in counties that hosted Trump campaign rallies, failed to account for political campaigns’ preference for hosting rallies in highly populated areas that naturally tend to experience more hate crimes, according to the analysis conducted by Harvard P.h.D. candidates Matthew Lilley and Brian Wheaton.​
Lilley and Wheaton were able to replicate the initial study’s findings with respect to Trump rallies, but found an even greater increase in hate crimes in counties that hosted Clinton campaign rallies during the same period.​
Once the researchers controlled for population size, the effect of Trump rallies on hate crimes became “statistically indistinguishable from zero.”
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Econ Students Debunk Study Showing 226 Percent Rise in Hate Crimes Following Trump Rallies | National Review
Economics STUDENTS???? Not even tenured professors?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:
 
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Mr. Jim,

True, why trust a study done by two guys with backgrounds in statistics, and data interpretation?
in matters related to economics, not statistics per se. as in all statistical endeavors, methodology is key, not the ability to use math to derive results. the point is, why trust two economic majors over 3 experts who released their findings to a peer reviewed group whose expertise lies in political and societal modeling and tendencies, not economics? why not just ask Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas, Jr. what they think?
 
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in matters related to economics, not statistics per se. as in all statistical endeavors, methodology is key, not the ability to use math to derive results. the point is, why trust two economic majors over 3 experts who released their findings to a peer reviewed group whose expertise lies in political and societal modeling and tendencies, not economics? why not just ask Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas, Jr. what they think?
Scott Baio is tied up on the Middle East peace negotiations now I think -- after Trump's Real Estate Shill cut and ran -- but maybe in his spare time...
 
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Only the Willful Ignorant ... the Useful Idiots (U.I.'s) ... the No/Low Information types ... and the uneducated believe the fake news MSM today.

And, there are not enough of those folks to change the outcome of a Presidential election.

Trump will win in a landslide in 2020.

We should all Thank our Extremist friends in advance.
I agree. Only the willfully ignorant trump voters believe fox and infowars and breitbart and the fake right wing news media of today and for the last decade or so, at least. good call.

trump may not even make it all the way to the next election without being removed for his crimes and misdemeanors, but if he does, he will get his ass handed to him- his fat lying bone spur ass.

there. i fixed it for ya.
 
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in matters related to economics, not statistics per se. as in all statistical endeavors, methodology is key, not the ability to use math to derive results. the point is, why trust two economic majors over 3 experts who released their findings to a peer reviewed group whose expertise lies in political and societal modeling and tendencies, not economics? why not just ask Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas, Jr. what they think?
Mr. Jim,

Statistics and data interpretation are the issue. They took the raw data, ran statistical analysis, and determined that groups like the ADL were manipulating the data for political reasons.

As for your inane red herring, Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas do not have backgrounds in statistics.
 
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Mr. Jim,

Statistics and data interpretation are the issue. They took the raw data, ran statistical analysis, and determined that groups like the ADL were manipulating the data for political reasons.

As for your inane red herring, Scott Baio and Antonio Banderas do not have backgrounds in statistics.
no, they did not. where did you get the idea the ADL manipulated any data for any reason? from what part of Hannity's butt did you pull that nugget?
 
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I agree. Only the willfully ignorant trump voters believe fox and infowars and breitbart and the fake right wing news media of today and for the last decade or so, at least. good call.

trump may not even make it all the way to the next election without being removed for his crimes and misdemeanors, but if he does, he will get his ass handed to him- his fat lying bone spur ass.

there. i fixed it for ya.
Ass-bone-spurs must be a bitch, which may account for his sour temperment.