EU votes for disciplinary action against Hungary

Nov 2015
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International laws still need to be heard and adjudicated.The UK wants autonomy...thats fine, but they still have to deal with the rest of the world.
Correct, we want to deal with the rest of the world but you can't when an EU member. Only the clowns in the EU Parliament does that, and very crapply as well.
 
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Nov 2007
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#12
if there are accusations, then there should be hearings or trials.

A simple vote does not suffice. A vote is not a trial
Nobody's been accused of a crime. A country has been accused of violating treaty commitments. And the Parliament did have a hearing. I'm not sure how you imagine that a typical parliament, but they don't simply vote without discussion. The resolution was debated, evidence was presented, the Hungarian Prime Minister spoke in defence of his government's actions.

The European Parliament cannot actually impose any sanctions on Hungary. What happens now is that their resolution is sent to the European Council, and the member states of the other 27 governments need to agree if any sanction should be imposed. If they don't, nothing happens.[/QUOTE]
 
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Does that seem to be a growing sentiment over there? Hear more about it now that I used to.
If you look at opinion polls, then no, not really. Opposition to the EU does not appear to be increasing continent wide. The lowest approval ratings for the EU were back in 2011 following the Greek debt crisis - they've risen since then. Opposition does seem to have gotten louder, however.

The pattern is not uniform across the EU, of course - people have different views in different places. Approval for the EU is extraordinarily high in Luxembourg, for example, but currently low in Greece.
 
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You will find that those who supported Bexit are conservative and those who wanted to remain are more Labour (Socialist).
That's not true - if it were Labour's position would be much simpler now - they could just come out strongly in favour of staying in the EU. That they don't is because most of the highest votes in favour of leaving were in the strongest Labour areas. Labour traditionally does well in poorer, working class areas, and wealth was a pretty good predictor of how people voted in the referendum. The poorer you were the more likely you were to vote Leave, which is not surprising. People doing badly are more likely to vote for a change than people doing well.

Correct, we want to deal with the rest of the world but you can't when an EU member. Only the clowns in the EU Parliament does that, and very crapply as well.
EU Member states do deal with the rest of the world all the time, of course, they just can't sign bilateral trade treaties by themselves since the EU is one market. The US can't have a different tariff with the UK than it does with Germany.

The European Psrliament doesn't negotiate with third countries. That's handled by the Commission and the Council (the Council being the national governments of member-states). The interesting thing about the EU is that everyone seems to have opinions on it, but very few seem to know much about it actually works.
 
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That's not true - if it were Labour's position would be much simpler now - they could just come out strongly in favour of staying in the EU. That they don't is because most of the highest votes in favour of leaving were in the strongest Labour areas. Labour traditionally does well in poorer, working class areas, and wealth was a pretty good predictor of how people voted in the referendum. The poorer you were the more likely you were to vote Leave, which is not surprising. People doing badly are more likely to vote for a change than people doing well.



EU Member states do deal with the rest of the world all the time, of course, they just can't sign bilateral trade treaties by themselves since the EU is one market. The US can't have a different tariff with the UK than it does with Germany.

The European Psrliament doesn't negotiate with third countries. That's handled by the Commission and the Council (the Council being the national governments of member-states). The interesting thing about the EU is that everyone seems to have opinions on it, but very few seem to know much about it actually works.
It works fucking shitty and everyone that I spoke too that support remain are Labour supporters.