Ex-Defense Secretary James Mattis says U.S. is at ‘breaking point’

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We need allies. We will never abandon allies, We may talk stern from time to time. We are not ditching NATO. We are present all over the place. Militaries train together. So many are buying the F-35. Getting stern with China is long over do. Talking with Russia is better then engaging in another Cold War.
Methinks we should be getting stern with Russia and talking to China.
 
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Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is warning of bitter political divisions that threaten American society, echoing themes he often cited before heresigned from the Trump administration in protest. The retired Marine general, who quit in December 2018 amid policy disagreements with President Donald Trump, says he is concerned about the state of American politics and the administration’s treatment of allies. “We all know that we’re better than our current politics,” Mattis wrote in an essay adapted from his new book and published Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal. “Unlike in the past, where we were unified and drew in allies, currently our own commons seems to be breaking apart.”

Mattis said the problem is made worse by this administration’s disregard for the enduring value of allies, which he alluded to in the resignation letter he gave Trump on Dec. 20. “Nations with allies thrive,” he wrote in the Journal essay, “and those without them wither. Alone, America cannot protect our people and our economy. At this time, we can see storm clouds gathering.” In an apparent reference to Trump, Mattis added: “A polemicist’s role is not sufficient for a leader. A leader must display strategic acumen that incorporates respect for those nations that have stood with us when trouble loomed.”

Without citing Trump by name, Mattis suggested the administration and its strongest critics are engaged in destructive politics. He said he worries more about internal divisions in American society than about external threats.“We are dividing into hostile tribes cheering against each other, fueled by emotion and a mutual disdain that jeopardizes our future, instead of rediscovering our common ground and finding solutions,” he said.He said Americans must realize that their democracy is an experiment. “Tribalism must not be allowed to destroy our experiment,” he wrote.

Regarding his reasons for leaving the Trump administration, Mattis offered a slightly more pointed explanation than he outlined in his resignation letter.
“When my concrete solutions and strategic advice, especially keeping faith with our allies, no longer resonated, it was time to resign, despite the limitless joy I felt serving alongside our troops in defense of our Constitution,” he wrote. Mattis, who had never met or spoken to Trump before the Republican president-elect interviewed him for the Pentagon job in November 2016, quickly became known as a leading voice of reason and stability in an administration led by an impulsive president unfamiliar with the tools of statecraft and dismissive of allies’ interests.

Ex-Defense Secretary James Mattis says U.S. is at 'breaking point'

Gen Mattis is spot on.

While Trump sucks up to Russia, NK, and Brazil, he craps all over our allies.

Needless to say, that is beyond reckless.
I just read in another post that Trump fired Mattis. Like you said, Mattis quit.
 
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The internal fighting is what is destructive. With democrat statements as to their platform is very divisive . They incite tribal warfare. Victims and oppressors.

Sad to say but appeasement to illegals is a big part of that. Foreign occupiers put us at each other's throats. Those for, those against.
Are you posting that with a straight face considering what Trump has done to divide?
 
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Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is warning of bitter political divisions that threaten American society, echoing themes he often cited before heresigned from the Trump administration in protest. The retired Marine general, who quit in December 2018 amid policy disagreements with President Donald Trump, says he is concerned about the state of American politics and the administration’s treatment of allies. “We all know that we’re better than our current politics,” Mattis wrote in an essay adapted from his new book and published Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal. “Unlike in the past, where we were unified and drew in allies, currently our own commons seems to be breaking apart.”

Mattis said the problem is made worse by this administration’s disregard for the enduring value of allies, which he alluded to in the resignation letter he gave Trump on Dec. 20. “Nations with allies thrive,” he wrote in the Journal essay, “and those without them wither. Alone, America cannot protect our people and our economy. At this time, we can see storm clouds gathering.” In an apparent reference to Trump, Mattis added: “A polemicist’s role is not sufficient for a leader. A leader must display strategic acumen that incorporates respect for those nations that have stood with us when trouble loomed.”

Without citing Trump by name, Mattis suggested the administration and its strongest critics are engaged in destructive politics. He said he worries more about internal divisions in American society than about external threats.“We are dividing into hostile tribes cheering against each other, fueled by emotion and a mutual disdain that jeopardizes our future, instead of rediscovering our common ground and finding solutions,” he said.He said Americans must realize that their democracy is an experiment. “Tribalism must not be allowed to destroy our experiment,” he wrote.

Regarding his reasons for leaving the Trump administration, Mattis offered a slightly more pointed explanation than he outlined in his resignation letter.
“When my concrete solutions and strategic advice, especially keeping faith with our allies, no longer resonated, it was time to resign, despite the limitless joy I felt serving alongside our troops in defense of our Constitution,” he wrote. Mattis, who had never met or spoken to Trump before the Republican president-elect interviewed him for the Pentagon job in November 2016, quickly became known as a leading voice of reason and stability in an administration led by an impulsive president unfamiliar with the tools of statecraft and dismissive of allies’ interests.

Ex-Defense Secretary James Mattis says U.S. is at 'breaking point'

Gen Mattis is spot on.

While Trump sucks up to Russia, NK, and Brazil, he craps all over our allies.

Needless to say, that is beyond reckless.
Here is the issue. Our “allies” expect a shitload from us and give very little in return. Any time there is an actual military action? Proportionality is very one sided. And personally? I’d rather see us less involved globally. We would catch shit for that too. But we have to pick one or the other.
 
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Methinks we should be getting stern with Russia and talking to China.
Putin mocks Trump now.. Putin got Nordstream2 ..which is what he and Germany wanted. Trump reacted by putting sanctions on everybody involved in construction.. including the Swiss.. Trump is a worldwide joke.. I think that makes him dangerous.
 
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Here is the issue. Our “allies” expect a shitload from us and give very little in return. Any time there is an actual military action? Proportionality is very one sided. And personally? I’d rather see us less involved globally. We would catch shit for that too. But we have to pick one or the other.
The only member of NATO who has called on other members of NATO when they were attacked by a foreign power was....the US, after 9-11. And one thing all that military might buys us is the ability to decide what conflicts are worth fighting over--we get to pipe the tune, others have to dance.

Ideally, I'd like to see us less involve militarily all over the world too, but the "shit" we would catch involves our global adversaries rushing to fill in the gaps we leave.
 

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Literally Mattis said the opposite but ok?

Things have really gone to crap since he stepped down. The G7 is just the latest example of Trump subbing our allies.
I’m hoping our allies realize that Trump was a mistake. However, if we let Trump get elected again, then they will see that as a sign of the U.S. becoming an enemy of the free-world. They have to be thinking: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. They are now just waiting to see if the electoral college will actually vote for the orange-fool again. We know the nation doesn’t support him, but he has control of the reins and is leading us toward the cliff whether we want to go along or not. Of course, there are those that want us to break-up into 50 little state-countries, and they believe we’ll be stronger and better off for it. I know Vlad and Xi would love it.
 
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I just read in another post that Trump fired Mattis. Like you said, Mattis quit.
I had a boss that pissed me off to no end one day. The next day I came in and handed him my resignation. As a response, he said he was going to write-up a reprimand and put it in my file. It was almost like, you can’t quit, cause I’m going to fire you for thinking about quitting. So, I suspect it was something like this knowing Trump:

[Mattis]: Mr. President, we are no longer on the same page. So, I regret to inform you that I am resigning my position in your administration.
[Trump]: You can’t quit . . . you’re FIRED!
[Mattis]: Mr. President, this is not The Apprentice.
[Trump]: You’re fired, fired, fired, and I’m going to tell everyone that you’re the enemy. Where’s my phone, I need to Tweet . . .

Or something along those lines.
 

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Literally Mattis said the opposite but ok?

Things have really gone to crap since he stepped down. The G7 is just the latest example of Trump subbing our allies.
Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis warns bitter political divisions have pushed American society to the “breaking point” in his most extensive public remarks since heresigned in protest from the Trump administration.

Didn't you read your own OP?