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More importantly, it's helpful for those making claims to be intelligent and know who Walter Annenberg was, instead of pulling facts out of the air about people who spend time researching the truth.

He was FAR from being "liberal" in the sense Trump robots/trolls use the word "liberal".


What's BS are the people who are trying to claim those outing their BS, as telling lies.

One does NOT need a factchecker other than themselves. They only have to have an interest in the truth and take the time to research what is closer to it.

Unless we are present at an event, we are ALL getting our information from OTHERS. Until FOX News, and then Trump, who has a total life history of stretching the truth if not totally lying, the free press was questioned, but only for the veracity of what they were reporting. Trump's own family biographer makes light of his fraud, even speaking of his "getting away with it" as something someone might admire in some sense.



FOX News came up with a business plan that included politicizing the media and set forth to claim all the networks it would be competing with had a political bias. Without saying it, the innuendo to so called "conservatives" was that a "liberal bias" was not presenting the truth to them, thus they turned to FOX News. It is a brilliant plan if all one cared about was seeing your business competitors advertisers have to pay for advertising space on 4 major networks (because they supposedly catered to "liberals") while the same advertisers could reach roughly the same audience by going to only one network (FOX News) because they were the only one in that league that catered to conservatives.



For the purposes of example, when FOX News came online, if the nation was close to being evenly divided between conservatives and liberals, say 50%/50% and the supposed "liberal" news networks in the same league were CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS/NPR and the "conservative" network was FOX News.

If 50% of the nation's audience were tuning in across 4 or 5 networks, no one network was getting any numbers that could match Fox News if it was getting the whole other 50% because at the time, "conservatives" had no other places to go. Rush Limbaugh and some other radio personalities at the time were not the same.

If one is advertising something on TV, they want to reach the largest audience for the buck. This is why there are ratings. As an advertiser, if you only had to buy one set of TV spots to reach 50% of the nation, you would choose that network over having to buy spots on 4 or 5 networks to reach the same audience.

Political bias also has no connection to truth. Truth is truth. People might be drawn to any network or sets of networks because they find them to be credible, before or without considering any poltical affiliation.

In short, most people might be drawn to information (news) outlets because in their experience, they find they present mostly the truth above other networks and they determine this because what they hear or read is largely born out or additional research find what they are reporting to be true.

Other people may be drawn to what they hear because they like its political bias and what they hear, EVEN if it is not born out or what is said is not sourced or found to be founded in anything credible.
In other words you want to change the subject from the Annenberg foundation donating to extreme leftist to talking about FOX
 
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Sounds like they are FACT CHECKING to me !!! How else could they provide "real facts" if they aren't checking them ?? OH WAIT I FORGOT !!!!!!

ALTERNATIVE FACTS !!!!! They'll just MAKE THEM UP !!!!
Face it, your assertion that the OP was a fact check site checking another fact check site was mistaken. It was a news organization pointing out the liberal bias and fact checks that had to be recanted because they were proven to be wildly wrong.
 

Ian Jeffrey

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It was a news organization pointing out the liberal bias and fact checks that had to be recanted because they were proven to be wildly wrong.
"Pointing out [] liberal bias" is not news. The OP article is not a "news organization." It is not a credible source; it merely presents biased opinions.
 
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I am plenty caught up. You merely say that to try to legitimize the crap sources you post.
What news sources aren't crap sources in your opinion? Which ones don't have a bias? Which ones don't get spoon fed propaganda packaged as a news story by political opetatives? Which ones don't use certain agreed on words and phrases in order to get these breaking news stories? Which ones don't agree to ask certain questions and not ask other questions in order to get an interview? Which ones don't have political operatives masquerading as journalists?
Face it. We live in an alternate reality, in a picture painted for us to viscerally respond to by a select group of people who create the movie set we navigate through nudged along by the writers of the script to behave as they wish to suit their needs.
 

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What news sources aren't crap sources in your opinion? Which ones don't have a bias?
These are, of course, separate questions, since bias does not ipso facto render the source "crap." However, the vast majority of sources posted by right-wingers on this site are extremist crap. Some of the sources posted here by left-wingers fit that description, but not many. There may well be just as many in existence, but fewer find their way to PH.
Face it. We live in an alternate reality....
I suppose, if you rely on "alternative facts"...
 
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These are, of course, separate questions, since bias does not ipso facto render the source "crap." However, the vast majority of sources posted by right-wingers on this site are extremist crap. Some of the sources posted here by left-wingers fit that description, but not many. There may well be just as many in existence, but fewer find their way to PH.

I suppose, if you rely on "alternative facts"...
You dodged my question. What news organizations aren't crap?
 
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Never trusted fact checkers. Best to rely on your own fact-checking, as others have said.

Unfortunately, the left relies on fact-checkers because they think it gives them credence. It doesn't.