Feeding the Frenzy - Have the Democrats Run Out of Ads and Twitter Outrages ?

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Totally agree. Way too much has been focused on economics, trade, treaties etc and while they may have scored Trump a few votes, the true reasons for his success came down to social ideology. Pat Buchanan actually had a pretty accurate read on nationalism earlier this week in his syndicated column. We really should have seen this all coming.

Why the Authoritarian Right Is Rising | Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website
Ironically, Pat Buchanan is probably the closest thing to Trump on the national scene before Trump. Buchanan ran for president based on a novel anti-globalist, anti-free-trade take on Republican politics. But Buchanan lacked Trump's "special sauce." He still communicated his bigotry in traditional Republican dog whistles, rather than the naked hatred used by Trump. Without the catharsis of open misogyny, racism, and religious prejudice, the anti-globalist schtick doesn't have enough kick even to make a candidate competitive in a Republican primary, much less to win the whole thing. At this point, Buchanan is probably stewing that he didn't let his freak flag fly the way Trump has. Maybe if Buchanan had been as open with his hatreds as Trump is, he'd have been president.
 
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Mar 2012
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Ironically, Pat Buchanan is probably the closest thing to Trump on the national scene before Trump. Buchanan ran for president based on a novel anti-globalist, anti-free-trade take on Republican politics. But Buchanan lacked Trump's "special sauce." He still communicated his bigotry in traditional Republican dog whistles, rather than the naked hatred used by Trump. Without the catharsis of open misogyny, racism, and religious prejudice, the anti-globalist schtick doesn't have enough kick even to make a candidate competitive in a Republican primary, much less to win the whole thing. At this point, Buchanan is probably stewing that he didn't let his freak flag fly the way Trump has. Maybe if Buchanan had been as open with his hatreds as Trump is, he'd have been president.
Also Buchanan was considered an "oddball" back in the day even amongst GOPers as his trade stance was different. GOP never met a trade agreement they didnt like and Buchanan was an isolationist. So he didnt even get much consideration. But with global trade the timing was better for Trump. As we even are seeing in Europe, this fear of the other coming in and "stealing our jobs" is prevalent in the western world. Trump just struck while the iron was hot.
 
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The issue is not whether Obama said, back in 2012, that Russia wasn't the biggest geopolitical force we faced, it is Trump's statements, like these:

"He said he didn't meddle," Trump said, answering questions in the press cabin on Air Force One. "I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. . . . He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they are saying he did."
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and this:

“I never said Russia did not meddle in the election,” Trump wrote. “I said ‘it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.’
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Jul 2014
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To be sure, China is bigger than Russia in almost every respect, and Putin hadn't attacked us yet.
The exchange was about Russia and Al Qaeda.

Russia was, and is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda.

Romney was right.

Obama was wrong.
 
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to Rebrand itself? The real reason Clinton lost the election was Sanders booster club stayed home in Nov. 2016. You know it, I know it. It is no mystery that your typical Progressive tuned out, toned down, and dropped in to new interests after Sanders lost the nomination. Scrambling to keep the herd fixated, Democrats plastered the internet with LGBT, immigration outrage, race, class, gender, feminism, all the niche audience markers repeated daily after the adsurd DNC directed Jill Stein Green Party recount debacle failed. All of the exhaustive Russia paranoia via the MSM during the last 14 months has failed, and the A and B listed Late Night Hollywood fear campaign has not worked to amplify or generate a cohesive message, platform, or mindet
amongst all astroturf Democrat Party Elites slick sign printing, and TV hype it could muster in "Breaking News" blips every 15 min. on CNN/ MSNBC. Too bad guys, indentity politics failed - time to get a brand new bag of politically correct tricks?
It's obvious you haven't run out of nonsense to whine about.
 
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Also Buchanan was considered an "oddball" back in the day even amongst GOPers as his trade stance was different. GOP never met a trade agreement they didnt like and Buchanan was an isolationist. So he didnt even get much consideration. But with global trade the timing was better for Trump. As we even are seeing in Europe, this fear of the other coming in and "stealing our jobs" is prevalent in the western world. Trump just struck while the iron was hot.
Yeah, it took the Great Recession to make these anti-trade and anti-globalist ideas really RESONATE. Pat Buchanan was too EARLY. In fact, I think if Trump had run just a year or two LATER, he probably would have been too late, as the labor market would have continued to pick up momentum and people would have become less concerned about the state of the economy. Could Trump be elected with the economy in the condition it is in today? I don't think so!!
 
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Well, to be fair to him, this cycle is so rarely commented on in the media that it probably comes as a bit of a surprise to him. The news media spent the aftermath of the 2016 election blathering endlessly about how the surprise outcome was due to economic suffering in places like Michigan and Wisconsin, which flipped for Trump. That was obvious nonsense to anyone who thought about it. For example, the unemployment rate in Michigan had been 9.0 going into November 2012 when Obama won it again, but was down to 5.1 going into November 2016 when it went to Trump. That wasn't about economic anxiety. Similarly, Wisconsin flipped at a time when its unemployment rate was under 4% -- to the lowest point it had been at since the Clinton years. In fact, other than a few years in the late Clinton era, Wisconsin hadn't seen a job market that good since LBJ was president. The media wasn't just wrong -- they were 180 degrees removed from the truth. The outcome was due to economic anxiety having receded to the point that other anxieties drove the election: especially anxieties among white, heterosexual, native-born Christians that they were losing their privileged status in the society. Trump played into that. The keystones in his campaign weren't economic talking points, but rather ranting about how Mexico was sending us "rapists" and how there was a (made up) crime wave sweeping America, and how scary Muslim refugees were, and how supposedly people weren't allowed to say "Merry Christmas" any more, etc. Whether Trump had an insight the media were lacking, or whether he was just lucky to be a bigot in the right place and time for bigotry to rewarded, I don't know. But, either way, the huge gap between the obvious cycle that was happening, and the narrative the corporate press tried to impose on it, was fascinating.
Yeah, I don't know. Trump was still claiming that the 'REAL' unemployment rate was 40% (!!) and people actually BELIEVED him! They didn't BELIEVE those reported unemployment rates of under 4% in Wisconsin! And there ARE a lot of Americans who have gone from relatively high-paying manufacturing jobs to lower-paying service sector jobs. All of THOSE economic anxieties are still out there. I only heard Trump mention the 'Merry Christmas' thing a few times on the campaign trail. I heard him talk about unemployment like, ALL the time!!