Fox News lies about the state of the Netherlands

Sep 2010
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O'Reilly (and whoever that woman is on his show; I can't tell if she's another news anchor or what) claims it is a crime-ridden, anarchist cesspool of crime and drugs. In reality, it has a lower crime and drug rate than America. The final claim where O'Reilly mentions "it's coming to America" as if we should be afraid of a lower crime and drug rate is hilarious.

Make any statement so long as it brings fear to your audience, eh? "America is going to end up like the criminal, over-drugged Netherlands if we allow a liberal agenda here!" "You mean lower crime and drug use?" "Shut up. It's coming here! Be afraid!"

I love the "they do statistics differently in the Netherlands." Because "4 in 10" in the Netherlands actually means "4 in 5." :rolleyes:
 
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Fox News is out to spread irrational fears among Americans. More fear among Americans makes it easier to control what they do, and they often vote Republican if they're scared shitless of whatever boogeyman is being pushed that week. Fox News...the media arm of the Republican Party.
 
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I think we can understand that Fox does this a lot. I do think other news stations can, and do have baises. No one's been posting anything from the other stations though.
 
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Now why is Fox taking the rap on this? You've got Carlson adding counterpoint with the statistics which seems to meet that "fair & balanced" thing. So it's it's just O'Reilly doing any spinning or "lying" here.
 

NiteGuy

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Now why is Fox taking the rap on this? You've got Carlson adding counterpoint with the statistics which seems to meet that "fair & balanced" thing. So it's it's just O'Reilly doing any spinning or "lying" here.
Really? The first clip showed O'Reilly with two like-minded guests and no counter-point, while the second clip had O'Reilly and one other like-minded guest. That adds up to a four-to-one unbalanced and decidedly unfair advantage to O'Reilly, as far as I can see.

And while Gretchen Carlson did indeed try to interject some level of sanity into the discussion, notice how quickly she was shut down by O'Reilly. "They do statistics differently over there". With no further discussion or explanation as to how they do statistics differently.

Except they don't do statistics any differently there than they do here, 'Caster. For example, if you watch the clip, you'll see that when it comes to violent crime, their statistics are figured exactly the way we figure them here, on a incident-per-100,000 of population. Now what makes you (or O'Reilly for that matter) believe that the way they figured drug usage in that country would be any different than how we measure it here? Sorry, 'Caster, but math is math, no matter where it's practiced.

And I think that O'Reilly knows this. The problem with O'Reilly (and a lot of other conservatives in my opinion), is not that they don't get it, but that they can't sell it. And the "it" doesn't really matter. Drug usage and crime in the Netherlands compared to the US. The advantages of healthcare reform. Taxes. It doesn't matter. They can't win in an honest fight, so they have to stack the deck - "they do statistics differently", "socialism", "death panels", "tax cuts always good, tax increases always bad". No sir, they get it. But as I said they can't sell it. So instead of arguing on the merits, they tell you that you should be afraid of it, and who to blame for it.

"Fair and Balanced"?
 

MajikMyst

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Is there any research concerning the state of Amsterdam? All we really have to go on is your word.

Best Answer - Chosen by AskerCheck this link out, it gives you the crime rates of many countries,

Netherlands;

Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

Variable Amount/description Rank
Crime > Assaults 44,129 [14th of 58]
Crime > Car thefts (per capita) 2.33559 per 1,000 people [15th of 55]
Crime > Drug offences 47 per 100,000 people [20th of 36]
Crime > Illicit drugs
major European producer of ecstasy, illicit amphetamines, and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe; major source of US-bound ecstasy; large financial sector vulnerable to money laundering
Crime > Murders 183 [40th of 63]
Crime > Murders (per capita) 0.0111538 per 1,000 people [51st of 62]
Crime > Rapes 1,648 [20th of 66]
Crime > Rapes (per capita) 0.100445 per 1,000 people [22nd of 65]
Crime > Total crimes 1,305,640 [14th of 61]
Crime > Total crimes (per capita) 79.5779 per 1,000 people


USA;

Variable Amount/description Rank
Crime > Assaults 2,238,480 [1st of 58]
Crime > Car thefts (per capita) 3.8795 per 1,000 people [9th of 55]
Crime > Murders 12,658 [6th of 63]
Crime > Murders (per capita) 0.042802 per 1,000 people [24th of 62]
Crime > Murders with firearms 8,259 [4th of 32]
Crime > Murders with firearms (per capita) 0.0279271 per 1,000 people [8th of 32]
Crime > Rapes 89,110 [1st of 66]
Crime > Rapes (per capita) 0.301318 per 1,000 people [9th of 65]
Crime > Total crimes 23,677,800 [1st of 61]
Crime > Total crimes (per capita) 80.0645 per 1,000 people [8th of 60]

You should always question Fox News.. They are wrong more often than they are right..

As for Charles?? He is almost never wrong so just get used to it..
 

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