France in Turmoil -- The People Rise Up Against Globalism

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Trump doesn't blame immigrants, he blames Congress. He does blame Democrats, but all Presidents have done that. And, the calling neo-Nazis is a quote liberals have twisted to mean something he wasn't saying.

The free press Trump was addressing is the fake news stories that the "free press" puts out there.

After all, the free press calls him a "nazi" and other choice names, he is returning fire.




LOL. Seriously?


And even more yammering from you...

You wrote: "conservatives take responsibility for their own actions."

When has Mr. Best Brain ever admitted he was wrong or accepted responsibility for anything?

Go ahead. Find one example.

You won't.
 

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Approval rating for far right leader Marine le Pen is growing due to the protesters. She has called for the French National Assembly to be dissolved..This could end up uglier that previously thought. Macrons days may be numbered..

"Amid 'Yellow Vest' crisis, the National Rally (NR) leader Marine Le Pen has proposed to dissolve the lower Chamber of French Parliament and hold fresh parliamentary elections. Le Pen further criticised President Emmanuel Macron for his insufficient response to the protest. "We are the best in policing the world. In this case, we have been very bad," she said on Monday. The Assembly was last dissolved in 1997 when then President Jacques Chirac dissolved the National Assembly over economic instability in the country and asked the French to elect a new Parliament."

Le Pen proposes to dissolve French National Assembly
But what makes France’s revolt different is that it has not followed the usual populist playbook. It is not tethered to a political party, let alone to a right-wing one. It is not focusing on race or migration, and those issues do not appear on the Yellow Vests’ list of complaints. It is not led by a single fire-breathing leader. Nationalism is not on the agenda.
The uprising is instead mostly organic, spontaneous and self-determined. It is mostly about economic class. It is about the inability to pay the bills. In that regard, it is more Occupy than Orban — more akin to the protests against Wall Street driven by the working poor in the United States than the race-based, flag-waving of Hungary’s increasingly authoritarian leader, Viktor Orban.
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But it is also about a deep distrust of societal institutions that are perceived as working against the interests of the citizens, and that will make this crisis particularly hard for the government to resolve. The Yellow Vests push politicians away and reject Socialists, the far right, President Emmanuel Macron’s political movement, and everybody else in between.

In fact, so far at least, France’s movement remains relatively unstructured. It has yet to be hijacked by either the far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen, or the far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon, try as they might to claim ownership.

How France’s ‘Yellow Vests’ Differ From Populist Movements Elsewhere

Of course, Le Pen jumped right on the bandwagon.
 
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Really? Ca recently enacted a gas tax - 12 cents more per gallon. There were no riots. Even had a ballot measure to repeal it. It failed to pass. We also have some of the highest gas prices in the country.

From one of the links upthread.

Macron is hardly alone in his frustration. Leaders in the United States, Canada, Australia and elsewhere have found their carbon pricing efforts running into fierce opposition. But the French reversal was particularly disheartening for climate-policy experts, because it came just as delegates from around the world were gathering in Katowice, Poland, for a major conference designed to advance climate measures.


And this story broke yesterday


We are in trouble.’ Global carbon emissions reached a record high in 2018.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...ached-new-record-high/?utm_term=.0041513d5250

So yeah, maybe the roll out of France's tax was not the best, but there no if's, and's or but's about it. We have to deal with Climate Change..

Which btw, is not a "liberal" thing. It's a "science" thing (This last comment not directly pointed at your btw) :)
While in theory I agree, realistically it just wont work. We arent ready for it yet. Too many low income and working class depend on cars to commute long distances. All these regressive taxes do is help the far right. Marine LePen has now tied Macron in the polls for the next election.

Marine Le Pen buoyed by ‘growing discontent’ in France ahead of European parliamentary election
 
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LOL - when has the free press ever called him a Nazi?

Just another one of your troll comments? Yawn...you really are just a one trick pony.

Not sure what planet you are writing from, but down here on planet earth, Trump has been called every despicable name under the sun, and so-called journalists are name-callers too.


You belong to the ass party don't you?? That is Party mascot.


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But what makes France’s revolt different is that it has not followed the usual populist playbook. It is not tethered to a political party, let alone to a right-wing one. It is not focusing on race or migration, and those issues do not appear on the Yellow Vests’ list of complaints. It is not led by a single fire-breathing leader. Nationalism is not on the agenda.
The uprising is instead mostly organic, spontaneous and self-determined. It is mostly about economic class. It is about the inability to pay the bills. In that regard, it is more Occupy than Orban — more akin to the protests against Wall Street driven by the working poor in the United States than the race-based, flag-waving of Hungary’s increasingly authoritarian leader, Viktor Orban.
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But it is also about a deep distrust of societal institutions that are perceived as working against the interests of the citizens, and that will make this crisis particularly hard for the government to resolve. The Yellow Vests push politicians away and reject Socialists, the far right, President Emmanuel Macron’s political movement, and everybody else in between.

In fact, so far at least, France’s movement remains relatively unstructured. It has yet to be hijacked by either the far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen, or the far-left leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon, try as they might to claim ownership.

How France’s ‘Yellow Vests’ Differ From Populist Movements Elsewhere

Of course, Le Pen jumped right on the bandwagon.
BBC has referred to it as a "blue collar revolt." Its basically the union and working class people in France. Macron did not do very well with them.
 

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While in theory I agree, realistically it just wont work. We arent ready for it yet. Too many low income and working class depend on cars to commute long distances. All these regressive taxes do is help the far right. Marine LePen has now tied Macron in the polls for the next election.

Marine Le Pen buoyed by ‘growing discontent’ in France ahead of European parliamentary election
Agree the way France did it was not helpful. But we cannot just ignore how fast climate change is accelerating. They probably would of been better off with a gradual increase. And for sure one other thing that would help around the world - make public transportation a priority. In LA the transit system is packed every day with commuters.
 
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Agree the way France did it was not helpful. But we cannot just ignore how fast climate change is accelerating. They probably would of been better off with a gradual increase. And for sure one other thing that would help around the world - make public transportation a priority. In LA the transit system is packed every day with commuters.
From what I gather, these protesters are not all inside Paris. They drive a lot. Many own companies in transportation and represent unions of drivers. So while public transit is important in the cities, it has little use outside. Europeans are commuting further and further and we know Americans commute just gets longer every year. That doesnt help.
 

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From what I gather, these protesters are not all inside Paris. They drive a lot. Many own companies in transportation and represent unions of drivers. So while public transit is important in the cities, it has little use outside. Europeans are commuting further and further and we know Americans commute just gets longer every year. That doesnt help.
Well then maybe the key is to make more efficient/clean cars. Bottom line, we cannot sustain the path we are on regarding climate change. People are just going to have to accept that.

That is what the Obama Administration did.

The joint rule between the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration finalized April 1, 2010 will require cars and light trucks combined to get an average of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016, moving up a 2007 law that required the same efficiency by 2020. The mandate applies to all new autos made between 2012 and 2016.

According to the administration, the effort will save 1.8 billion barrels of oil over the life of the program and cut carbon emissions by about 960 million metric tons over the lifetime of the vehicles.

The effort was hailed by environmental organization

Updated - The Obameter: Raise fuel economy standards
 
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Well then maybe the key is to make more efficient/clean cars. Bottom line, we cannot sustain the path we are on regarding climate change. People are just going to have to accept that.
To a degree, they are. But some of the more effective "leaders"*** in the Yellow Vest Movement, to the extent any exist, have conceded that point as part of their argument.

Yes, if we don't restrain emissions, the world as we know it will end. Yes, this is a big problem. Yes, it requires major policy changes at the national level in cooperation with the world. But France must determine its own path on tackling this problem, and ultimately it is the government's responsibility to figure out how to bring these changes about without making poor and middle class people suffer, people who are already saddled with practically unmatched costs-of-living relative to the rest of the world. And if the government's response to this challenge is "We're going to do it this way, and if you can't afford it, too bad," then there cannot be peace.

*** Naturally, these are not the people who are burning cars and throwing rocks.
 
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"U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration finalized April 1, 2010 will require cars and light trucks combined to get an average of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016"

If they market a moped like car with a truck they might average 35.5 mpg between the two of them but most light trucks get 15 mpg at best. And trucks are never going to get much better than that anyway, which is Fords new game plan, trucks and SUVs, not econ-cars, and looks like GM is following suit, except for their unprincipled manufacturing move to China, where they will produce gas guzzling cars for the Chinese.

Someday US legislators will probably try to close that loop hole, and like France, they can expect a violent reaction, which could politically be capitalized on by any number of political parties except democrats, who would probably be the Macron like party pushing the idea.
 

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