France Suspends Fuel Tax Increase - protest stop

Oct 2018
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WonderfulOregon
#1
Dec 4, 2018
The government of President Emmanuel Macron announced on Tuesday that it would suspend the gasoline tax increase that had set off three weeks of protests in Paris

The step was an extraordinary concession by a president who has been criticized as remote and unemphatic

France Suspends Fuel Tax Increase That Spurred Violent Protests
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So Marcron was acting like a right wing thug - no emphatic

Europe is so much different than the USA - with so many legal days off, the can be in France one day travel to Italy, Germany, Spain, the tunnel to the UK, etc

The tax hike won't hurt the people who don't care about money (the elite republicans) and the French don't think that is fair

Holidays
The French get 5 weeks (30 days) counted as holidays

Reduction of Working Time
French also get up to 22 days of RTT Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week

Bonus days
Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off).


5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days
Combining all these rules the resulting total would be 9.5 paid vacation weeks
(5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off).

Furthermore, there ARE MORE PAID 11 paid public holidays (THAT IS over two weeks just in holidays!)
List of minimum annual leave by country - Wikipedia


No kidding...this is how a country that actually cares about their population is treated.

USA
Under Paid Holidays - percent of companies that observe these 5 days a year..USA 97% to 94% PERCENT OF COMPANIES WILL LET their employees haee those 5 day a year off as holidays

Get a List of Federal Holidays and Learn About the Pay for Time Off

No one can just stay home and do nothing..ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE

Many French people now enjoy nine weeks of vacation a year. Vacation in France is seen as a human right, one expert says, but it divides the haves from the have nots.

The French like to camp and French campsites are often well set-up with more facilities than we’re used to back in the UK, to make French camping holidays really comfortable. Even on the smaller sites preferred by the Cool Camping team there’s often a swimming pool, table tennis and pétanque.
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The gas tax made it harder for the 'have nots' So they demanded the tax be removed through the protests.

It was actually quite a democratic outburst. Something more fair to everyone in France...Find something else, but not our need to travel


(This was a needed update to what had been going on,, with the CURRENT situation....facts wtihout spin)
 
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Feb 2015
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By giving in to these protests, will we see more social unrest every time an unpopular decision is made?

I lived in Europe (NL and D) for several years when I was younger. It is not just about the government caring about workers. The people also have a different view toward their government.

When we compare the USA and Europe we are really comparing apples to oranges. While most European countries have many more paid days off, socialized medical care, shorter work weeks... There is a downside. Europeans pay far more in taxes, and everyone pays these taxes. There is the compulsory military service in many countries. Mandatory voting.

My Dutch friends who visit, talk about how lucky I am to live in the USA. Of course, they are also comparing apples to oranges. Recently, a longtime Dutch friend came on holiday. His wife and kids were in complete awe of the “stuff” that Americans have. Multiple cars? The size of our houses?

Funny tangent, when I lived next door to him in the 80’s in Steenwijk, we had to use his lawnmower to mow the space between the houses because my American push lawnmower was to wide to fit on that side.

The grass is always greener but it still has to be mowed.


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Oct 2018
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WonderfulOregon
#4
Americans want the US to become socialist

And all your southern belle who faint crying COMMUNISM are sheep to what the peple who don't want socialism tell them (ALL THE GOOD STUFF IS OURS...WE CREATE JOBS (LOL - GM OR BM)

Who has the money that would tell you that...

We would't have this ungodly wealth and people living pay check if people like you were honest..

Gallup Surveys the globe to determine the countries with the most consistently happy people.

In 2013, the top 10 are all much more socialistic, many with free higher education, free health care, and considerable business regulation, starting with Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Brazil, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, and Australia.

The US is 16th, ironically two steps lower than 14th-place Mexico, which according to right-wing myth is filled only with people who want to escape that country. Canada comes in higher than the US, at 15th.


It's not a fluke to think ALL people would like be to be happy...and IMO it is because the EU method eliminated SINK OR SWIM..WHICH WE HAVE MORE THAN OUR SHARE which REALLY CAN MAKE YOU SUICIDAL
AND... you seem to think we WANT!

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-Americans-want-the-US-to-become-socialist


You think the streSS of one day you have a job the next day you don't isn't on every middle class and lowers mind EVERY SINGLE DAY...You don't see our system makes people put lup with crap because we are trAPPED!

lOSE YOU JOb...lose your home...lose your car...OUR entie lives are set up, to take it. What ever the man says, we take it. We have no choose until YOU start looking at how DUMB ..HOW YOU THINK....CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE!!!

gET A GRIP the hatred within our country start with this idea which is essential WE WANT TO BE SHIT ON.
 
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Oct 2018
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479
WonderfulOregon
#5
Suicides per 100,000 people in 2016 (age standardized)[18]

1 Guyana (more info) THE HIGHTES SUCIDE RATE in the WORLD
30.2 3 46.6 5 14.2 3.28 2 Lesotho 28.9 25 22.7 1 32.6 0.70 3 Russia 26.5 1 48.3 31 7.5 6.44 4 Lithuania (more info) 25.7 2 47.5 37 6.7 7.09 5 Suriname 23.2 6 36.1 13 10.9 3.31 6 Cote d'Ivoire 23.0 8 32.0 8 13.0 2.46 7 Kazakhstan 22.8 4 40.1 28 7.7 5.21 8 Equatorial Guinea 22.0 9 31.3 15 10.8 2.90 9 Belarus 21.4 5 39.3 45 6.2 6.34 10

#10 South Korea (more info) 10th highest
(Yet socialist N. KOREA is 6 X LOWER at #68)


20.2 11 29.6 11 11.6 2.55 11 Ugandab 20.0 37 21.2 2 18.7 1.13 12 Cameroon 19.5 13 26.9 10 12.5 2.15 13 Zimbabwe 19.1 12 29.1 12 11.1 2.62 14 Ukraine 18.5 7 34.5 81 4.7 7.34 15 Nigeria 17.3 56 17.5 3 17.1 1.02 16 Latvia 17.2 10 31.0 71 5.1 6.08 17 Eswatini (Swaziland) 16.7 17 25.4 17 9.6 2.65 18 Togo 16.6 25 22.7 13 10.9 2.08 19 India 16.5 46 18.5 4 14.5 1.28 19 Uruguay 16.5 14 26.8 34 7.1 3.77 21 Sierra Leone 16.1 50 18.2 5 14.2 1.28 22 Benin 15.7 27 22.6 17 9.6 2.35 22 Belgium 15.7 31 22.2 19 9.4 2.36 24 Chad 15.5 63 17.1 7 13.8 1.24 25 Kiribati 15.2 15 25.9 63 5.4 4.80 26 Cabo Verde 15.1 19 24.1 28 7.7 3.13 27 Burundi 15.0 24 23.1 28 7.7 3.00 28 Burkina Faso 14.8 28 22.4 20 9.1 2.46 29 Estonia 14.4 16 25.6 89 4.4 5.82 30 Japan 14.3 40 20.5 25 8.1 2.53 31 Sri Lanka ) 14.2 22 23.3 45 6.2 3.76 32Eritrea 13.8 28 22.4 53 6.1 3.67 34

#34
United States


==============================
Doing better than us:

51
Sweden (more info)
61
Switzerland (more info)
68
North Koreab
61
Switzerland (more info)
90
Venezuela

Seems a lot of socialist country have much lower suidides
Suicide is the LOSS OF HOPE...

Look how many SHIT HOLE COUNTRIES RIGH UP THERE WITH US.

America is one great big marathon to survive
 
Apr 2015
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Mid ATL
#6
Americans want the US to become socialist

And all your southern belle who faint crying COMMUNISM are sheep to what the peple who don't want socialism tell them (ALL THE GOOD STUFF IS OURS...WE CREATE JOBS (LOL - GM OR BM)

Who has the money that would tell you that...

We would't have this ungodly wealth and people living pay check if people like you were honest..

Gallup Surveys the globe to determine the countries with the most consistently happy people.

In 2013, the top 10 are all much more socialistic, many with free higher education, free health care, and considerable business regulation, starting with Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Brazil, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, and Australia.

The US is 16th, ironically two steps lower than 14th-place Mexico, which according to right-wing myth is filled only with people who want to escape that country. Canada comes in higher than the US, at 15th.


It's not a fluke to think ALL people would like be to be happy...and IMO it is because the EU method eliminated SINK OR SWIM..WHICH WE HAVE MORE THAN OUR SHARE which REALLY CAN MAKE YOU SUICIDAL
AND... you seem to think we WANT!

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-Americans-want-the-US-to-become-socialist


You think the streSS of one day you have a job the next day you don't isn't on every middle class and lowers mind EVERY SINGLE DAY...You don't see our system makes people put lup with crap because we are trAPPED!

lOSE YOU JOb...lose your home...lose your car...OUR entie lives are set up, to take it. What ever the man says, we take it. We have no choose until YOU start looking at how DUMB ..HOW YOU THINK....CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE!!!

gET A GRIP the hatred within our country start with this idea which is essential WE WANT TO BE SHIT ON.
Sooo many Democrats agree with you and are too afraid to admit it. I wish more of them would.
Sure would make it easier to defeat you in elections.
 
Jul 2014
31,044
7,937
midwest
#8
Dec 4, 2018
The government of President Emmanuel Macron announced on Tuesday that it would suspend the gasoline tax increase that had set off three weeks of protests in Paris

The step was an extraordinary concession by a president who has been criticized as remote and unemphatic

France Suspends Fuel Tax Increase That Spurred Violent Protests
============================

So Marcron was acting like a right wing thug - no emphatic

Europe is so much different than the USA - with so many legal days off, the can be in France one day travel to Italy, Germany, Spain, the tunnel to the UK, etc

The tax hike won't hurt the people who don't care about money (the elite republicans) and the French don't think that is fair

Holidays
The French get 5 weeks (30 days) counted as holidays

Reduction of Working Time
French also get up to 22 days of RTT Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week

Bonus days
Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off).


5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days
Combining all these rules the resulting total would be 9.5 paid vacation weeks
(5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off).

Furthermore, there ARE MORE PAID 11 paid public holidays (THAT IS over two weeks just in holidays!)
List of minimum annual leave by country - Wikipedia


No kidding...this is how a country that actually cares about their population is treated.

USA
Under Paid Holidays - percent of companies that observe these 5 days a year..USA 97% to 94% PERCENT OF COMPANIES WILL LET their employees haee those 5 day a year off as holidays

Get a List of Federal Holidays and Learn About the Pay for Time Off

No one can just stay home and do nothing..ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE

Many French people now enjoy nine weeks of vacation a year. Vacation in France is seen as a human right, one expert says, but it divides the haves from the have nots.

The French like to camp and French campsites are often well set-up with more facilities than we’re used to back in the UK, to make French camping holidays really comfortable. Even on the smaller sites preferred by the Cool Camping team there’s often a swimming pool, table tennis and pétanque.
====================

The gas tax made it harder for the 'have nots' So they demanded the tax be removed through the protests.

It was actually quite a democratic outburst. Something more fair to everyone in France...Find something else, but not our need to travel


(This was a needed update to what had been going on,, with the CURRENT situation....facts wtihout spin)
You misspelled "left wing thug".
 
Sep 2017
3,973
4,905
Massachusetts
#9
Dec 4, 2018
The government of President Emmanuel Macron announced on Tuesday that it would suspend the gasoline tax increase that had set off three weeks of protests in Paris

The step was an extraordinary concession by a president who has been criticized as remote and unemphatic

France Suspends Fuel Tax Increase That Spurred Violent Protests
============================

So Marcron was acting like a right wing thug - no emphatic

Europe is so much different than the USA - with so many legal days off, the can be in France one day travel to Italy, Germany, Spain, the tunnel to the UK, etc

The tax hike won't hurt the people who don't care about money (the elite republicans) and the French don't think that is fair

Holidays
The French get 5 weeks (30 days) counted as holidays

Reduction of Working Time
French also get up to 22 days of RTT Reduction of Working Time) for the employees that choose to work more than 35 hours per week

Bonus days
Bonus days off are given to people who take a part of their annual leave outside summer (3 days grant 1 bonus day off, 6 days grant 2 bonus days off).


5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days
Combining all these rules the resulting total would be 9.5 paid vacation weeks
(5 weeks of vacation + 4 weeks of RTT + 0.5 week of bonus days off).

Furthermore, there ARE MORE PAID 11 paid public holidays (THAT IS over two weeks just in holidays!)
List of minimum annual leave by country - Wikipedia


No kidding...this is how a country that actually cares about their population is treated.

USA
Under Paid Holidays - percent of companies that observe these 5 days a year..USA 97% to 94% PERCENT OF COMPANIES WILL LET their employees haee those 5 day a year off as holidays

Get a List of Federal Holidays and Learn About the Pay for Time Off

No one can just stay home and do nothing..ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE

Many French people now enjoy nine weeks of vacation a year. Vacation in France is seen as a human right, one expert says, but it divides the haves from the have nots.

The French like to camp and French campsites are often well set-up with more facilities than we’re used to back in the UK, to make French camping holidays really comfortable. Even on the smaller sites preferred by the Cool Camping team there’s often a swimming pool, table tennis and pétanque.
====================

The gas tax made it harder for the 'have nots' So they demanded the tax be removed through the protests.

It was actually quite a democratic outburst. Something more fair to everyone in France...Find something else, but not our need to travel


(This was a needed update to what had been going on,, with the CURRENT situation....facts wtihout spin)
Lots of interesting points to follow up on. I'll focus on three:

(1) Fuel taxes are even more "flat" than what we ordinarily call flat taxes, since they tend to impose roughly the same tax burden in Euros (or dollars) on everyone, not just the same percentage. So, the more revenues are collected that way, the flatter the overall tax system gets, and the greater the share carried by the little guys. Yet there are undeniable advantages to fuel taxes, carbon taxes, or the like, in incentivizing desired behaviors and internalizing costs. The solution is fairly simple and mathematical: when implementing a new fuel tax, pair it with a change to the income tax scheme that keeps the overall system equally progressive. So, in essence, if you're going to be raising $1 billion more in fuel tax revenues in the year, you change the income tax a bit so it raises $1 billion less (so, net, it's revenue neutral), and you distribute that $1 billion reduction so that the same revenues are raised from each percentile of the income structure as before (possibly with a refundable tax credit equal to the average fuel tax).

The advantage of that is that the average person, regardless of where he is in the income structure, isn't going to see any change in tax liability --- and for most people (e.g., including those just above and below the average of fuel use), the net change will be too small to bother protesting (e.g., if you pay $1000 more in fuel taxes in the year and $900 less in income taxes, the difference isn't going to be worth getting worked up about). Yet, that still preserves the incentive the tax was trying to create. If you can find a way to drive half as much (or carpool, or get a more efficient car, or move closer to work) you could lower your $1000 in fuel taxes to $500. So, behavior will improve and environmental burden will fall. It also means that the biggest incentive will continue to be there for those who are currently the biggest fuel hogs.

(2) Regarding vacations, etc., the OECD tracks that by an "average labor hours per worker" figure. It's a very interesting stat. For starters, the most workaholic countries aren't necessarily those you'd expect. They are, in order, Mexico, Costa Rica, Korea, Greece, and Chile. Basically, they're the poorer end of the developed-nation spectrum. In Mexico, the average laborer puts in 2,255 hours per year. The other end of the spectrum tends to be western European nations, with the fewest hours of work put in by Germans, Danes, the Dutch, Norwegians, and the French, in that order. Germans work just 1,363 hours per year. In the US, it's 1,783.

That gap may look relatively small until you do the math and figure out what it means. If you calculate in terms of eight-hour days, five days per week, it means Germans have the equivalent of 10.5 extra WEEKS of vacation per year, relative to Americans. In effect, if an American took off all of July, all of August, and half of June, and otherwise worked his normal schedule and took his normal vacation during the rest of the year, he'd be working about as much as a German.

(3) As bad as things are in the US, they've at least been improving. Back in 2000, we were working 1,834 hours per week, which means we're working enough less now to be equivalent to about 6.4 more vacation days, based on an eight-hour day. And unlike during the Great Recession, when hours dropped because people were being unwillingly cut back to reduced-hour schedules, or furloughed, to save their employers money, the lowered working schedule these days appears to be more a matter of choice, since unemployment rates are now back where they were in 2000. It's like the Great Recession helped Americans see the value of not living at the office, and they remembered that even when aggregate demand returned to the point the economy could support those hours.
 
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Suicides per 100,000 people in 2016 (age standardized)[18]

1 Guyana (more info) THE HIGHTES SUCIDE RATE in the WORLD
30.2 3 46.6 5 14.2 3.28 2 Lesotho 28.9 25 22.7 1 32.6 0.70 3 Russia 26.5 1 48.3 31 7.5 6.44 4 Lithuania (more info) 25.7 2 47.5 37 6.7 7.09 5 Suriname 23.2 6 36.1 13 10.9 3.31 6 Cote d'Ivoire 23.0 8 32.0 8 13.0 2.46 7 Kazakhstan 22.8 4 40.1 28 7.7 5.21 8 Equatorial Guinea 22.0 9 31.3 15 10.8 2.90 9 Belarus 21.4 5 39.3 45 6.2 6.34 10

#10 South Korea (more info) 10th highest
(Yet socialist N. KOREA is 6 X LOWER at #68)


20.2 11 29.6 11 11.6 2.55 11 Ugandab 20.0 37 21.2 2 18.7 1.13 12 Cameroon 19.5 13 26.9 10 12.5 2.15 13 Zimbabwe 19.1 12 29.1 12 11.1 2.62 14 Ukraine 18.5 7 34.5 81 4.7 7.34 15 Nigeria 17.3 56 17.5 3 17.1 1.02 16 Latvia 17.2 10 31.0 71 5.1 6.08 17 Eswatini (Swaziland) 16.7 17 25.4 17 9.6 2.65 18 Togo 16.6 25 22.7 13 10.9 2.08 19 India 16.5 46 18.5 4 14.5 1.28 19 Uruguay 16.5 14 26.8 34 7.1 3.77 21 Sierra Leone 16.1 50 18.2 5 14.2 1.28 22 Benin 15.7 27 22.6 17 9.6 2.35 22 Belgium 15.7 31 22.2 19 9.4 2.36 24 Chad 15.5 63 17.1 7 13.8 1.24 25 Kiribati 15.2 15 25.9 63 5.4 4.80 26 Cabo Verde 15.1 19 24.1 28 7.7 3.13 27 Burundi 15.0 24 23.1 28 7.7 3.00 28 Burkina Faso 14.8 28 22.4 20 9.1 2.46 29 Estonia 14.4 16 25.6 89 4.4 5.82 30 Japan 14.3 40 20.5 25 8.1 2.53 31 Sri Lanka ) 14.2 22 23.3 45 6.2 3.76 32Eritrea 13.8 28 22.4 53 6.1 3.67 34

#34
United States


==============================
Doing better than us:

51
Sweden (more info)
61
Switzerland (more info)
68
North Koreab
61
Switzerland (more info)
90
Venezuela

Seems a lot of socialist country have much lower suidides
Suicide is the LOSS OF HOPE...

Look how many SHIT HOLE COUNTRIES RIGH UP THERE WITH US.

America is one great big marathon to survive
I like the idea of measuring using reasonable proxies for happiness, rather than directly asking people how happy they are. When you look at something like suicide, it's people really showing you how miserable they are. By comparison, when you ask if they're happy, you may just be measuring cultural attitudes about expressing happiness. In some cultures, if you don't say you're happy you're seen as a failure or a complainer, so people will be reluctant to tell a pollster they aren't happy. In other cultures, they value a certain "poetic melancholy" as a sign of a deeper mind, and people might think of telling a pollster they're happy as equivalent to saying they're shallow and self-satisfied about it.

However, I would prefer some sort of index that includes other outward signs of depression, rather than just suicide, since using just that one measure might be excessively influenced by other cultural factors. For example, in the US, the happiest states, if you measure by suicide rates, are NJ, NY, and MA, while the least happy are MT, AK, and WY. Maybe that really is about happiness. But NJ, NY, and MA also have some of the highest percentage populations of Catholics in the country, and Catholics have a much more prominent theological issue with suicide that Protestants. MT, AK, and WY all have much lower Catholic populations.

So, what I'd picture is some sort of index that factors in multiple indirect measures of depression: suicide, violent crime rates, obesity rates, and substance abuse rates (including legal substances people use to self-medicate, like alcohol).
 

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