France Suspends Fuel Tax Increase - protest stop

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Looks like more protests are planned.

The French government says it fears "major violence" in Paris on Saturday as the national "yellow vests" protest movement shows little sign of easing. The government said it was scrapping fuel tax increases in the budget - the original spark for the protests. But the movement has since grown into a wider expression of anger about rising living costs, and Saturday's planned rally looks set to go ahead. Recent protests have turned violent, causing millions of euros in damage.

The government appealed for calm after making its political concessions - but on Thursday, protests continued in pockets around France as discontent spread beyond the core movement.

French government fears 'major violence'
 
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December 3

PARIS — "Yellow Jacket" protesters blocking access to 11 facilities that store gas.The storage units belonged to TOTAL, one of the world's biggest oil companies. The protests had left gas stations running dry in France.

At least 75 of the 2,200 gas stations owned by "Total' ran out of fuel a spokesman for energy giant Total said Monday.
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Protesters were angry over gas taxes and the current high costs of living.

They want Marco to stop his economic plan that only
damages the middle and low income people


The "Yellow Jacket" see President Emmanuel Macron's ECONOMIC REFORMS as FAVORING THE WEALTHY


THE 'EVERYTHING IS GO UP
EXCEPT MY SALARY' TYPE OF PROTEST




It's like
Trumps Tax overhaul should have started riots..

Socialists argue (and it seems the Yellow jackets too) for "working class unity" (Yellow Jackets protest is unity) as being the best way to combat, and ultimately abolish, all forms of oppression (oppression as in fuel taxes that only hurts the middle and lower classes)


Got to love the French...standing up for
Socialism by basically stating they are 'not taking it anymore'
 
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I like the idea of measuring using reasonable proxies for happiness, rather than directly asking people how happy they are. .
Let's say you define Happy as:

I have a roof over my head that fits my needs
I have healthy food for my family to thrive
I have a job that is secure and will continue to provide for my family.
I know if I get sick, I will get the medical attention I need

Not having all or even one is stressful
We have to look at our country needs to stop this overbearing stress too many of us encounter - because of capitalism sink or swin. No sink sure is Happiness
 
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let's face facts. it not what you pay in taxes if you're the average person - it's what you get for what you pay. Europe is smarter than we are. they listen to their citizens and pass laws accordingly. yes, they pay more in taxes, but they get value for that payment as well as an incentive to steer the citizens toward more reasonable behavior. if taxes were at 35% in this country - what would you expect to get for that money that you currently pay for out-of-pocket?
 
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let's face facts. it not what you pay in taxes if you're the average person - it's what you get for what you pay. Europe is smarter than we are. they listen to their citizens and pass laws accordingly. yes, they pay more in taxes, but they get value for that payment as well as an incentive to steer the citizens toward more reasonable behavior. if taxes were at 35% in this country - what would you expect to get for that money that you currently pay for out-of-pocket?
Agree but I suspect even then there is a breaking point. I hadnt realized that unemployment has gone way up in France and that these gas hikes are on top of a few others. So I guess it comes down to wallet economics. If you dont have much money to begin with, anymore will be painful.
 
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Agree but I suspect even then there is a breaking point. I hadnt realized that unemployment has gone way up in France and that these gas hikes are on top of a few others. So I guess it comes down to wallet economics. If you dont have much money to begin with, anymore will be painful.
correct. the number I stated was hypothetical, but I feel it is reasonable. would you expect to get what the citizens in France get for that tax rate (that's a total tax)?
 
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correct. the number I stated was hypothetical, but I feel it is reasonable. would you expect to get what the citizens in France get for that tax rate (that's a total tax)?
Of course not. They have healthcare and retirement out of those monies. We dont get a ton and as some point out, they only see corruption and potholes in the US. Many think paying more in taxes still wont get us anything more. I see a lot of people are watching as more and more big corporate money and lobbying gets into politics but then wonder why they get richer and the taxpayer gets nothing? I think Americans have grown very cynical anymore. By the looks of it France looks like they are starting to think the same. The perception had been a more societal approach there where everyone paid in and got the same thing. But not it looks like they have special elites and such as well and the people are mad. Same thing sort of prevailed in Brexit as well.
 
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Of course not. They have healthcare and retirement out of those monies. We dont get a ton and as some point out, they only see corruption and potholes in the US. Many think paying more in taxes still wont get us anything more. I see a lot of people are watching as more and more big corporate money and lobbying gets into politics but then wonder why they get richer and the taxpayer gets nothing? I think Americans have grown very cynical anymore. By the looks of it France looks like they are starting to think the same. The perception had been a more societal approach there where everyone paid in and got the same thing. But not it looks like they have special elites and such as well and the people are mad. Same thing sort of prevailed in Brexit as well.
dunno. people are people everywhere. I would, for that amount of tax, expect the same as the French do - and possibly more. why would you not expect that?
 
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dunno. people are people everywhere. I would, for that amount of tax, expect the same as the French do - and possibly more. why would you not expect that?
Oh I would too. But the media is portraying this more of an extreme thing. They are saying most of these protesters are far right and far left and that the majority of people dont support it. I have to wonder about that. Maybe they just arent out protesting?
 
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Oh I would too. But the media is portraying this more of an extreme thing. They are saying most of these protesters are far right and far left and that the majority of people dont support it. I have to wonder about that. Maybe they just arent out protesting?
possibly they are protesting the policy. would you protest for a tax increase which has no promise of increased services?
 

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