ha ha - uh-oh, White House science czar involved in ClimateGate!

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http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/climategate_holdren_email/2009/11/27/291545.html



But the Canada Free Press this week revealed that the former Harvard professor and Al Gore global warming adviser features prominently in the thousands of e-mails and other files made public after the hacking last week of a computer server used by the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit.



The most embarrassing item for the Obama Administration may be a 2003 exchange between Holdren and TCSDaily.com editor-in-chief Nick Schulz. Schulz challenged Holdren on whether downplaying the significance of the Medieval Warm Period required “what lawyers call the burden of proof.â€



Holdren’s retort contained a remarkable assertion coming from a scientist: “In practice, burden of proof is an evolving thing – it evolves as the amount of evidence relevant to a particular proposition grows.â€



Canada Free Press columnist and Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball says of the correspondence with Schulz that Holdren’s “entire defense and position devolves to a political position.â€



The CRU documents also find Holdren disparaging solar physicists Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon, contrarians regarding surface temperatures over the past millennium, who were colleagues of Holdren at Harvard, and Ball wonders if Holdren may have intimidated the two scientists before they “suddenly and politely withdrew from the fray,†as Ball describes it.



As Newsmax has previously reported, Dr. Holdren has a history of alarmingly extremist views. He co-authored a 1977 book, “Ecoscience: Population Resources, Environment,†advocating compulsory abortion for purposes of population control, mass sterilization, government-dictated family size like China’s one-child policy, and a “planetary regime†to be policed by the United Nations.


No comment required, right?




 
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[quote name='michaelr' date='27 November 2009 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1259367138' post='68326']

I think I have this on my thread. This guy is a criminal, and IMO guilty of extortion!

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Ha ha - good stuff. And Obama said, "judge me by the people I surround myself with".



Well, um... ain't lookin' too good Barry, hm?




This is interesting. I was kinda wondering why Holdren was still around, and why he

wasn't the first target of the Republican smear machine.



But I'm sure we'll see 'em go into high gear momentarily...




(grabs popcorn, turns on TV)
 
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Oh, no! Say it isn't sooooooooo. A criminal in the Post Turtle's administration?



I would be much more surprised to find a honest person in his administration.
 
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[quote name='nonsqtr' date='27 November 2009 - 07:02 PM' timestamp='1259366566' post='68324']

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/climategate_holdren_email/2009/11/27/291545.html







No comment required, right?






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you're quoting newsmax?? c'mon non, you're better than that.



and i fail to see whats so remarkable about holdrens comments, unless i'm missing something. science and evidence a data supporting a particular theory DOES evolve, because theres no judge or jury when it comes to science. the burden of proof required to disprove evolution 300 years ago was minuscule compared to what it is today, because the amount of evidence proving evolution today is massive.
 
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[quote name='a777pilot' date='27 November 2009 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1259369468' post='68353']

Oh, no! Say it isn't sooooooooo. A criminal in the Post Turtle's administration?



I would be much more surprised to find a honest person in his administration.

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holdrens a criminal? what crimes has he been convicted of?
 
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[quote name='nickcuse' date='27 November 2009 - 07:50 PM' timestamp='1259373021' post='68395']

you're quoting newsmax?? c'mon non, you're better than that.



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What a lame response. You try to minimalize it in the other threads and then post that lame remark.



Of course this is JUST the tactic that those engaged in this fraud preach.



Minimalize and marginalize the other side which those types of posting, avoid discussing the real issue.
 
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[quote name='nickcuse' date='27 November 2009 - 07:50 PM' timestamp='1259373055' post='68396']

holdrens a criminal? what crimes has he been convicted of?

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Hmmm Obama and Holder have no problem declaring people are criminals before the trial and they ARE bound by rules of judicial conduct.



So Nick is KSM a criminal? Did he commit a crime? How about OBL? What has he been convicted of. Next tell us about Hasan, did he commit a crime?
 
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[quote name='Stinger' date='28 November 2009 - 01:20 AM' timestamp='1259389246' post='68605']

Hmmm Obama and Holder have no problem declaring people are criminals before the trial and they ARE bound by rules of judicial conduct.



So Nick is KSM a criminal? Did he commit a crime? How about OBL? What has he been convicted of. Next tell us about Hasan, did he commit a crime?

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same thing applies to all those men. of course admitting to a crime tends to supersede have to be convicted of a crime.
 
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[quote name='nickcuse' date='28 November 2009 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1259389427' post='68608']

same thing applies to all those men. of course admitting to a crime tends to supersede have to be convicted of a crime.

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Trying to qualify in now I see.





So is KSM a criminal? Has he been convicted? Did he commit a crime? How about OBL? What has he been convicted of. Next tell us about Hasan, did he commit a crime?



And what about Obama and Holder and their statements of guilt about KSM and his fellow defendents, why do you approve of them doing so and then attack people here who say someone has committed a crime?



Remember



don't DA's say the same thing all the time?


And then you argued endless how it was OK for Obama and Holder to say a defendant is a criminal.



Now you argue no one else can.



What hypocrisy.