Health insurance through work now costs nearly $20,000

Jul 2015
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Maryland USA
#41
No those funds don't have to go to the govt, they can go to the employee in the way of salary. With a UHC they could be removed from healthcare expenses. You want the best and brightest then pay them more.
If the UHC is a government owned and operated system, it will be financed via taxation or some other form of payment to the government. I must assume that your perception does not include any increase or amendment to corporate or business taxation in order to finance the program. If the business must provide a dollar payment to the government how can it give that same dollar to employees through salary increases. The only funds that would be available for salary adjustments would be the difference between the current business costs through self insurance or premium payments and the tax or other funds to the government. Personally, I wouldn't count on that.
 

Djinn

Council Hall
Dec 2007
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36,242
Pennsylvania, USA
#42
Dropped some places, increased dramatically in others. Cities got enormous breaks in that exchanges had lots of choices and affordable options. Small states were stuck with one or no insurance carriers and exorbitant costs. Access should have been taken into account first and the ACA would have been wildly successful. But they neglected the small rural states. It cost them.
The ACA wasn't perfect - the GOP saw to that. So the Republicans on Planet Zorg said "Look - the ACA has its advantages, but there are parts that need fixing. Let's see what we can do to improve it!"

But the Republicans on Planet Earth said "Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism!" ... Which really isn't solving the problem.
 
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Mar 2012
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35,581
New Hampshire
#43
The ACA wasn't perfect - the GOP saw to that. So the Republicans on Planet Zorg said "Look - the ACA has its advantages, but there are parts that need fixing. Let's see what we can do to improve it!"

But the Republicans on Planet Earth said "Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism!" ... Which really isn't solving the problem.
The parts the GOP wanted to change were significant and could have helped. They were looking at this through a rural red state lens. Democrats kept pushing for the public option which didnt help. It created the socialism label right or wrong.
 
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Djinn

Council Hall
Dec 2007
50,030
36,242
Pennsylvania, USA
#44
The parts the GOP wanted to change were significant and could have helped. They were looking at this through a rural red state lens. Democrats kept pushing for the public option which didnt help. It created the socialism label right or wrong.
The GOP had decades to advance their own fix for rising healthcare costs. They squandered it, displaying little or no interest until Obama focused his attention on the problem.
 
Mar 2012
53,725
35,581
New Hampshire
#45
The GOP had decades to advance their own fix for rising healthcare costs. They squandered it, displaying little or no interest until Obama focused his attention on the problem.
True but neither side really wanted to touch healthcare until Obama.
 

Southern Dad

Former Staff
Feb 2015
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8,326
Shady Dale, Georgia
#46
Same old bullshit excuse. We would be paying for it and govt isn't the one who decides what it covers. Are you saying that your current insurance doesn't dictate what it covers?
Universal Healthcare? If it is paid for by your tax dollars, then the government will be deciding who gets what care. I have a choice with my current insurance. I can choose a different plan or different company.
 

Southern Dad

Former Staff
Feb 2015
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8,326
Shady Dale, Georgia
#47
If the sum total of your premium is 20k per yr (employer + employee) and you file no claims that yr how much of that do you suppose is profit for the insurance company and how much is overhead?

315 billion dollars would certainly pay a lot of medical bills.

The waste involved here is astronomical.
Keep in mind that the insurance companies are required to use 85% for health care. The remaining 15% has to cover real estate, utilities, operating costs, salaries, advertising, and other expenses.
 

Southern Dad

Former Staff
Feb 2015
39,987
8,326
Shady Dale, Georgia
#48
The ACA wasn't perfect - the GOP saw to that. So the Republicans on Planet Zorg said "Look - the ACA has its advantages, but there are parts that need fixing. Let's see what we can do to improve it!"

But the Republicans on Planet Earth said "Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism! Repeal! Socialism!" ... Which really isn't solving the problem.
You can't blame the GOP for the flaws in the ACA. The ACA was passed with only Democrat votes and was signed by a Democrat president. You all own that one.
 

Djinn

Council Hall
Dec 2007
50,030
36,242
Pennsylvania, USA
#50
You can't blame the GOP for the flaws in the ACA. The ACA was passed with only Democrat votes and was signed by a Democrat president. You all own that one.
Not only were Republican senators deeply involved in the process up until its conclusion, but it's a cinch that the ACA might have become law months earlier if the Democrats, hoping for a bipartisan bill, hadn't spent enormous time and effort wooing GOP senators — only to find themselves gulled by false promises of cooperation. And unlike Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's semi-secret proceedings that involved only a handful of trusted colleagues, Obamacare, until the very end of the process, was open to public scrutiny.
Set the health care record straight: Republicans helped craft Obamacare