Homeowner Kills Intruder, Then Cops Kill Homeowner

Nov 2014
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So, what do y'all think? Was this a "good shoot" for the cops?

(Newser) – Police say "a very chaotic and violent scene" greeted officers who were called to an Aurora, Colo., home over reports of a home invasion early Monday—and amid that chaos, a man who lived in the home was shot and killed by an officer. Around 1:30am, multiple 911 calls came in about a disturbance, including one call from an adult female who said an adult male was breaking into her home, the Aurora PD says in a press release. When police arrived, they heard gunshots fired inside the house, then encountered an armed adult male. An officer fatally shot that man, but when clearing the home to make sure it was safe, officers found the actual intruder dead on the bathroom floor; the armed male killed by police was a resident of the home who, police believe, had shot and killed the intruder.

Homeowner Kills Intruder, Then Cops Kill Homeowner
 
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Jun 2014
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#2
So, what do y'all think? Was this a "good shoot" for the cops?

(Newser) – Police say "a very chaotic and violent scene" greeted officers who were called to an Aurora, Colo., home over reports of a home invasion early Monday—and amid that chaos, a man who lived in the home was shot and killed by an officer. Around 1:30am, multiple 911 calls came in about a disturbance, including one call from an adult female who said an adult male was breaking into her home, the Aurora PD says in a press release. When police arrived, they heard gunshots fired inside the house, then encountered an armed adult male. An officer fatally shot that man, but when clearing the home to make sure it was safe, officers found the actual intruder dead on the bathroom floor; the armed male killed by police was a resident of the home who, police believe, had shot and killed the intruder.

Homeowner Kills Intruder, Then Cops Kill Homeowner
Cops are human beings. Unless they failed to follow some procedure, I don't think this sad, sad result is an example of crimes committed by cops.

How could it have been avoided? And if it could not, how could it be the cops' fault?
 
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Jun 2014
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Cops are human beings. Unless they failed to follow some procedure, I don't think this sad, sad result is an example of crimes committed by cops.

How could it have been avoided? And if it could not, how could it be the cops' fault?

Was everyone involved a legal citizen? Because, if any of them weren't, then it was obviously their fault.
 
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Nov 2015
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It's dreadful that anyone loses their life. But in a land of gun mayhem, it's a regular story.

Let's be honest, on the whole, American cops are gun crazy.
 
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It is an expected outcome when in the chaos police roll up on anyone brandishing a gun. The woman should have told 911 that the male had a gun as they may have hesitated or asked questions before firing. Armed people expecting police to know who the bad guy is have no business owning a gun. There is an fantasy mentality many gun owners have that doesn't match with professionals on high alert.
 
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Nov 2013
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So, what do y'all think? Was this a "good shoot" for the cops?

(Newser) – Police say "a very chaotic and violent scene" greeted officers who were called to an Aurora, Colo., home over reports of a home invasion early Monday—and amid that chaos, a man who lived in the home was shot and killed by an officer. Around 1:30am, multiple 911 calls came in about a disturbance, including one call from an adult female who said an adult male was breaking into her home, the Aurora PD says in a press release. When police arrived, they heard gunshots fired inside the house, then encountered an armed adult male. An officer fatally shot that man, but when clearing the home to make sure it was safe, officers found the actual intruder dead on the bathroom floor; the armed male killed by police was a resident of the home who, police believe, had shot and killed the intruder.

Homeowner Kills Intruder, Then Cops Kill Homeowner
I guess the problem was that the perpetrator was already taken out. Arming civilians for public protection, like teachers or students in schools, seems to only work in an "active shooter" situation, when there are more than one gun for the cops to go after, making them able to identify who the actual bad guy is, and who's the good guy.
If the bad guy's is hiding on the bathroom floor, there's no alternative for a cops to think the remaining one is the active shooter.

Ok, the above is obviously a sarcastic take on the stupid idea of arming teachers.

The only lesson learned i can see here is.. IF you are ever in a situation like this poor guy was in the OP story... once you've eliminated the threat, DROP YOUR WEAPON. That could probably have saved him from the cop's action.
 
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Nov 2015
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It is an expected outcome when in the chaos police roll up on anyone brandishing a gun. The woman should have told 911 that the male had a gun as they may have hesitated or asked questions before firing. Armed people expecting police to know who the bad guy is have no business owning a gun. There is an fantasy mentality many gun owners have that doesn't match with professionals on high alert.
It's obvious the police are poorly trained or not trained to handle situations.

The third alternative, they just wish to kill for the adrenaline rush. Who knows?
 
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It's obvious the police are poorly trained or not trained to handle situations.

The third alternative, they just wish to kill for the adrenaline rush. Who knows?
I think it depends on how you handle the 911 call. My friends son moved out on his own in Cleveland at a fairly young age and shot at a intruder through his front door. It was early in the morning and his dogs alerted him something was wrong. He called out in case it was someone he knew and no answer. When the door knob turned he fired a .22 rifle through the door. He called the police, told them what happened and they told him to go outside and sit on his porch and leave the gun inside. When the cops arrived, there was blood on the sidewalk, but no intruder or body was found. He was unarmed and the cops had him lay face down on the ground as they searched the house. He told the cops where to find the rifle and it was laying on the kitchen table, with the magazine out of it. He was calm at the time and the police took his statement and left the premises. If all hell is still breaking loose out of panic...I can see how something like this could happen.
 
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Jun 2014
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It's dreadful that anyone loses their life. But in a land of gun mayhem, it's a regular story.

Let's be honest, on the whole, American cops are gun crazy.
Well, really, what else could they be, trying to keep the peace in the most gun-saturated country on earth?
 
Jun 2014
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I guess the problem was that the perpetrator was already taken out. Arming civilians for public protection, like teachers or students in schools, seems to only work in an "active shooter" situation, when there are more than one gun for the cops to go after, making them able to identify who the actual bad guy is, and who's the good guy.
If the bad guy's is hiding on the bathroom floor, there's no alternative for a cops to think the remaining one is the active shooter.

Ok, the above is obviously a sarcastic take on the stupid idea of arming teachers.

The only lesson learned i can see here is.. IF you are ever in a situation like this poor guy was in the OP story... once you've eliminated the threat, DROP YOUR WEAPON. That could probably have saved him from the cop's action.
How could the homeowner know the threat had been neutralized?

I agree this is a massive problem, and ironically, this story also illustrates why home defense is important.

But not how the homeowner could have avoided being shot.