Honor killings in North Caucasus

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At least 39 people have been killed in Russia’s North Caucasus in suspected honor killings over the past decade, according to a new report published by a Dutch human rights NGO on Thursday, which also said that the real number of murders was likely to be much higher.

The term honor killings refers to the murder of individuals suspected of infidelity or other “inappropriate” sexual behavior and are predominantly carried out by family members of a victim. Human rights groups have said that the practice has long been a problem in Russia’s predominantly Muslim North Caucasus region.

Between 2008 and 2017, 36 women and three men became the victims of honor killings in the Russian republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya, according to the “Killed by Gossip” report published by the Dutch Legal Initiative NGO on Thursday.

The organization added that the real number was likely much higher as the “vast majority of honor killings remain unreported” and local officials refuse to investigate them, citing "cultural norms."

A majority of the victims were young unmarried women between 20 and 30 years of age and less than half of the murders made it into the court system, the NGO said.

Officials in the republic of Chechnya denied the findings of the report in comments to the media on Thursday.

"There is no such thing [as honor killings] in our republic," Alvi Karimov, the spokesman of Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, was quoted as saying by Interfax on Thursday.

“You simply won’t find any immoral women here, women consuming alcohol,” he added.

In comments to the Govorit Moskva radio station, Chechnya’s communications minister Dzhambulat Umarov alleged that the report was part of a smear campaign waged by human rights organizations who have targeted the region to get "publicity on hyped-up issues that they make up themselves."

Legal Initiative is a Dutch based NGO that provides support to victims of human rights abuses in the North Caucasus. The complete Killed By Gossip report can be found on their website.
39 People Murdered in Honor Killings in Russia’s North Caucasus, Dutch NGO Reports

FWIW, they seem to have ONLY focused on the Muslim republics, Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan. But I have personally heard of similar occurrences among, for instance, the Ossetian people too, who are, like the Russians, Orthodox Christian. Even in the Cossack communities, who are technically Slavic by blood, but have adopted a lot of the local culture. It is less a religious and more ethnic, Caucasian thing. There is the tribal Law of the Mountains, which affects all the indigenous peoples there, regardless of faith, and it does try to control the women, their dress, their modesty, often in very violent ways... :(
 
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39 People Murdered in Honor Killings in Russia’s North Caucasus, Dutch NGO Reports

FWIW, they seem to have ONLY focused on the Muslim republics, Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan. But I have personally heard of similar occurrences among, for instance, the Ossetian people too, who are, like the Russians, Orthodox Christian. Even in the Cossack communities, who are technically Slavic by blood, but have adopted a lot of the local culture. It is less a religious and more ethnic, Caucasian thing. There is the tribal Law of the Mountains, which affects all the indigenous peoples there, regardless of faith, and it does try to control the women, their dress, their modesty, often in very violent ways... :(
Killing females inside a family is a universal human failing. It's my view that highly authoritarian, closed family systems put women and childten at greater risk of harm or murder, but highly egalitarian, open family systems produce murders as well. IOW, things can get better, but not much better. They can also get much, much worse.

Killing one's own family members is aberrant behavior for any human family.
 
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39 People Murdered in Honor Killings in Russia’s North Caucasus, Dutch NGO Reports

FWIW, they seem to have ONLY focused on the Muslim republics, Ingushetia, Chechnya, Dagestan. But I have personally heard of similar occurrences among, for instance, the Ossetian people too, who are, like the Russians, Orthodox Christian. Even in the Cossack communities, who are technically Slavic by blood, but have adopted a lot of the local culture. It is less a religious and more ethnic, Caucasian thing. There is the tribal Law of the Mountains, which affects all the indigenous peoples there, regardless of faith, and it does try to control the women, their dress, their modesty, often in very violent ways... :(
Why are such peoples so obsessed with controling women, especially their sexuality?
 

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But only for about the past 2,000 years or so. Many pre-Christianity pagan cultures held women in high regard and they had a great deal of influence.
Caucasians claim to hold women in high regard too... There is a sort of nice side to it, to the culture: guys from Caucasus are super protective of the ladies they are with. To the extreme.

Like, here, in Gelendzhyk (Sochi suburb), Caucasian guy (Dagestani, reportedly) fights with and even pulls a pistol on three or four drunk Slavs who bothered his girlfriend (also Slavic) while they were riding on bicycles together on the promenade
That's just... the way we are. I would personally slaughter anyone who hurts my wife. Cut their throat. Period. That's not a brag, that's just how I am conditioned, since birth... Part of the Law of the Mountains is the Law of the Blood. Blood for Blood. One who sheds your family's blood, you shed his. That's the way it is.

That's why there are guys like Vitaly Kaloyev: Unforgiven (2018)

Also, in an even less positive sense, why there are blood feuds between rival clans there going back three, four generations, over which people are still actively attacking and killing each other as I type this...

And blood is also the only liquid that can wash off the stain of shame and disgrace from a family and its greater clan. It's not only women who face death for bringing shame to her family. Men too. Being outed as a homosexual, for example, would likely get you lynched by your own relatives, pretty much anywhere in Caucasus...

Honor, personal, individual, and also the greater honor of your family, clan, and even ethnic group, is everything, to Caucasians. It is more important than even human life... Even the video I posted above, the guy defending his GF. Sure, part of it is likely that he cares about her and all that. But the other part (and, again, I have that in me too, cannot help it), is that a man who cannot thusly defend his woman, is considered, in Caucasus, to be dishonored. That's worse than being killed, to those people...

It is, in many ways, a very, very conservative and backward culture, still, sadly...
 
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Caucasians claim to hold women in high regard too... There is a sort of nice side to it, to the culture: guys from Caucasus are super protective of the ladies they are with. To the extreme.

Like, here, in Gelendzhyk (Sochi suburb), Caucasian guy (Dagestani, reportedly) fights with and even pulls a pistol on three or four drunk Slavs who bothered his girlfriend (also Slavic) while they were riding on bicycles together on the promenade
That's just... the way we are. I would personally slaughter anyone who hurts my wife. Cut their throat. Period. That's not a brag, that's just how I am conditioned, since birth... Part of the Law of the Mountains is the Law of the Blood. Blood for Blood. One who sheds your family's blood, you shed his. That's the way it is.

That's why there are guys like Vitaly Kaloyev: Unforgiven (2018)

Also, in an even less positive sense, why there are blood feuds between rival clans there going back three, four generations, over which people are still actively attacking and killing each other as I type this...

And blood is also the only liquid that can wash off the stain of shame and disgrace from a family and its greater clan. It's not only women who face death for bringing shame to her family. Men too. Being outed as a homosexual, for example, would likely get you lynched by your own relatives, pretty much anywhere in Caucasus...

Honor, personal, individual, and also the greater honor of your family, clan, and even ethnic group, is everything, to Caucasians. It is more important than even human life... Even the video I posted above, the guy defending his GF. Sure, part of it is likely that he cares about her and all that. But the other part (and, again, I have that in me too, cannot help it), is that a man who cannot thusly defend his woman, is considered, in Caucasus, to be dishonored. That's worse than being killed, to those people...

It is, in many ways, a very, very conservative and backward culture, still, sadly...
It doesn't necessarily happen in backward Cities...our last honor killing locally was just last year. The family lived in a affluent area of Cleveland and the daughter was a pharmacist, which here is a highly educated professional. The family was Palestinian and the Dad was sentenced to 22 years in prison. He shot his own daughter in her bed. He said the reason he did it was for respect.

Rocky River dad killed his daughter because of 'disrespect'
 
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It doesn't necessarily happen in backward Cities...our last honor killing locally was just last year. The family lived in a affluent area of Cleveland and the daughter was a pharmacist, which here is a highly educated professional. The family was Palestinian and the Dad was sentenced to 22 years in prison. He shot his own daughter in her bed. He said the reason he did it was for respect.

Rocky River dad killed his daughter because of 'disrespect'
Yes, we had such crap up here too, mostly among families from Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example: Shafia family murders - Wikipedia

Very sad...
 
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