If socialized medicine is so great, why is this guy coming here for care?

L

Libre

You know why he came here? Because AT HOME HE WOULD DIE. Medicine is no different than any other service; you get what you pay for:

Greece's top cleric treated in US
The head of the Greek Orthodox Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, is undergoing liver transplant surgery in the US, church officials say. The operation, at a hospital in Miami, Florida, is expected to last for up to 10 hours.
Archbishop Christodoulos, 68, was diagnosed with cancer in June after intestinal surgery.
He travelled to Miami in August, but had to wait until Sunday for a compatible liver donor.
He was elected Archbishop of Athens and all Greece in 1998.
Last year, he met the Pope at the Vatican as part of efforts to bring the two churches together - the first such talks between Greece's most senior cleric and the leader of the world's Roman Catholics.
Their meeting focused on attempts to end the Great Schism that dates from 1054.
The Greek Orthodox Church is an autocephalous, or ecclesiastically independent, branch of the Eastern Orthodox Communion, encompassing approximately half the territory of modern Greece.

Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Greece's top cleric treated in US
 
M

mrogge1.

Hillary care is just the left trying to sneak socialism into America under mendacious emotional rhetoric. "We must make healthcare available to the children who are sick."

Then maybe you shouldn't have bought that new 50" HD flat-panel. Get a job and use our great American free market to find an affordable health care plan.
 
D

Dr.Knuckles

The problem with private medicine is the cost, inefficiency and the fact that vast millions of Americans can't afford any of it.

Why is this guy going to the US? Because he's got bottomless money at his disposal, meaning he can buy the best health care that 70 million taxpaying Americans will never even get a snif of.

So if you're fine with rich fat foreigners getting Americas best health care, all of which you yourslef pay for through massive insurance costs, far higher than in any other Western nation, and Americans getting shafted with life-ending medical bills - then I guess you've got a point that hospitals in the US are better than hospitals in Greece.

The ACTUAL socialized health care argument, not the fantasy one suggested aboive, is that everyone pays the same amount. Since this guy had the churches backing to pay for it... he chose the one developed nation on Earth that counts people's money to detemrine what kind of care they get.

I'm not really surprised he liked that system best. I'm just wondering why anyone who wasn't filthy rich and first in line would.
 
J

jaqasia

Sad to think that an American on the list for a liver probably died because they gave it to this man. Its not fair that you cant pick who gets your loved ones organs, alot of people come to America for transplants. We give our donated organs to people all the time, and Americans die because of it. Plus this joker is 68, how much longer is he really gonna live anyway? Seems like a waste.
 
T

Think for myself

Let's get some facts straight.

He is getting treated in America instead of Greece because this is where the top surgeons are.

He does not need an entire liver, meaning a living donor can donate a lobe, and they both can survive fine. Perhaps one of his devotees?
 
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johnflesh

You know why he came here? Because AT HOME HE WOULD DIE. Medicine is no different than any other service; you get what you pay for:
Wow thats a leap of logic to think that Americas health care system is the same as our advancement in medicine.

People come here for the advancement in medicines. I seriously doubt people pick America, or Peru, or South Africa based on its health care system, especially if they have no health care. But we will surely take that Bishop's money because he paid like the rest of those who'd have to pay without coverage.

I'M NOT SAYING that national health care is great, I'm pointing out the apples and oranges of your assumptions about this article.

Honestly I don't see how this guy coming here for top notch care has anything to do with the fact it costs way too fucking much for a lot of people. Sure we have top notch care, but our system does suck ass. Which has to do with people in our system, not including that Bishop.
 
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johnflesh

Hillary care is just the left trying to sneak socialism into America under mendacious emotional rhetoric. "We must make healthcare available to the children who are sick."

Then maybe you shouldn't have bought that new 50" HD flat-panel. Get a job and use our great American free market to find an affordable health care plan.
As far as I am concerned there is no 100% full proof package plan laid out by Hillary, I'd like to see it if it has. So until then it might be wise to understand the full story about National Healthcare before you start throwing stones.

LOL at free market in insurance. Nice one. Sure I can decide between competitors but they have the same rates, the same coverage, its all standardized. Just like car insurance. The best bet for people is to TRY and find employment that offers 50% paid health insurance and be able to make enough to only work 1 day to pay for it, 4 days for taxes, out of a month. That is 1/4 of a months pay gone and some people can't handle that financially, its the truth. And then the only alternative is to go without or some sort of welfare system which financially is more burdensome to tax payers and them the same.

It is obvious we need a health care system overhaul but at this point in time in our current state of mind I believe going full national is a bit radical for me as the system can be revamped to conform to the needs of the entire nation.
 
G

Goldwater

As far as I am concerned there is no 100% full proof package plan laid out by Hillary, I'd like to see it if it has. So until then it might be wise to understand the full story about National Healthcare before you start throwing stones.
Thank God almighty John! If I could cover you from head to toe with green's I would......finally a glimpse of reality from PHW Healthcare posts. As you may know John I work for a not for profit medical insurance company, so as a result I also work with the other medical insurance providers, many doctors, pharmacists, patients and so on down the line. Then there are parts of the industry that I don't even see, supply, Pharmaceuticals, R&D for drugs & treatment, Nurses Union, and so on ad infinitum out that end of the industry.

The truth is that there are few people that grasp the industry as a whole, I don't know of any people but they must be out there. I suspect that there are so few holistic experts that to "nationalize" healthcare completely would take decades at least. The inefficiency that would be created along the way could kill who knows how many patients.

When I hear people post a good idea about one sector of the healthcare industry I say Yee Haw. Now let's talk about the other 99.8% of healthcare and how your revelation affects patient's health everywhere else. This such a complicated question and I'm right in the middle of it. I do have this SURE wisdom for you. We can keep medical insurers in place but force them to operate at not for profit status. I know that will work, they will remain private companies, but profit goes back towards benefits for patients in the form of charity, and special funds for patients who get denied coverage for major procedures. Thats how we work, and we get top ratings from patients, doctors, JD Power, and others.

Just some thought. Thanks again John.
 
A

Acebass

Outsourcing surgery to India?!

It's not just x-rays that are being outsourced to India, but surgical patients as well. If it wasn't for the Unions and the potential for medical liability, a NYT article says that patients would be hopping on planes and heading to India for significantly cheaper healthcare. How cheap you say? Is it worth the 20-hour flight? Will the medical care be the same as in the US?
An 80% cost-saving between health care in India versus the US may make the cost of the airfare, traveling on a 20-hour flight, and receiving care from Western trained Indian doctors worth it. If large numbers of US patients outsourced their healthcare to India, what would happen to the US health care system? Would it get cheaper and better as a result of decreasing demand? Well, one can only hope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/business/worldbusiness/11health.html?ex=1161230400&en=7596f44e180c52a2&ei=5070&emc=eta1
 
A

Acebass

Thank God almighty John! If I could cover you from head to toe with green's I would......finally a glimpse of reality from PHW Healthcare posts. As you may know John I work for a not for profit medical insurance company, so as a result I also work with the other medical insurance providers, many doctors, pharmacists, patients and so on down the line. Then there are parts of the industry that I don't even see, supply, Pharmaceuticals, R&D for drugs & treatment, Nurses Union, and so on ad infinitum out that end of the industry.

The truth is that there are few people that grasp the industry as a whole, I don't know of any people but they must be out there. I suspect that there are so few holistic experts that to "nationalize" healthcare completely would take decades at least. The inefficiency that would be created along the way could kill who knows how many patients.

When I hear people post a good idea about one sector of the healthcare industry I say Yee Haw. Now let's talk about the other 99.8% of healthcare and how your revelation affects patient's health everywhere else. This such a complicated question and I'm right in the middle of it. I do have this SURE wisdom for you. We can keep medical insurers in place but force them to operate at not for profit status. I know that will work, they will remain private companies, but profit goes back towards benefits for patients in the form of charity, and special funds for patients who get denied coverage for major procedures. Thats how we work, and we get top ratings from patients, doctors, JD Power, and others.

Just some thought. Thanks again John.
Interesting. I also work in the medical industry at a local hospital. I started out in collections, (depressing), then went to the purchasing dept and have transfered to maintenance since then. The things I've seen...

The waste is criminal and the money thats thrown around could solve our healthcare crisis tomorrow if they want to...

BTW we were rated high by JDPower which makes me wonder about JD Power and Assoc.