Immigrant PhD candidate rocked by sudden US Army discharge

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Immigrant PhD candidate rocked by sudden US Army discharge
By Martha Mendoza and Garance Burke, Associated Press

"Growing up in eastern China, Panshu Zhao fell in love with America. He read the Bible his parents gave him, watched Hollywood movies and studied the ideals of democracy. He jumped at the chance to attend graduate school at Texas A&M University."
"In 2016, Zhao enlisted in the U.S. Army as part of a special recruitment program offering immigrants in the country legally a path to citizenship."
"President George W. Bush ordered "expedited naturalization" for immigrant soldiers in 2002 in an effort to swell military ranks. Seven years later, the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program, known as MAVNI, became an official recruiting program."






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It's simply unthinkable that at a time when the United States sorely needs people from other countries who speak certain languages fluently that they would be doing this sort of thing to this man who has gone as high as to study for his Ph.D. What's the matter with Trump and his administration? It's like they've lost all sense of reality on what really matters and how to treat those who are here and obviously studying hard to achieve something in life and to Help America. They were once given the chance and now Trump wants to rescind that and leave them out in the cold looking in. Trump has now cast yet another black mark on his record.
 
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I'm stunned that we would allow non-citizens to serve if we didn't think they worthy of becoming citizens.

"Yeah, sure. Go ahead and die for us, but you're not good enough to stay here permanently."
 
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LOL .....

And, the fake news continues.

The Pentagon debunked this BS on Friday of last week.


The Pentagon denied that troops fired deliberately immigrants
The Ministry of defense has denied the news Agency associated Press, which reported that the military Department beginning no certain reasons to dismiss from service reservists and military personnel with an immigrant background.

The Pentagon stated that it did not undertake any new policies regarding immigrants entered military service. Press Secretary of the US Army Lieutenant Colonel Nina hill said that, “any recruit who does not pass validation, is deemed unsuitable for military service and subject to administrative dismissal”.

The army failed to provide the “Voice of America” the specific details of the procedures for security checks of individuals because of privacy laws.

Dismissed the recruits and reservists referred to in the material on the associated Press, was enrolled in the armed forces in recent years as part of a special program for non-citizens of the United States – Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest (may be translated as “joining the military is important to U.S. national interests” or MAVNI).
https://newsworld.co/the-pentagon-denied-that-troops-fired-deliberately-immigrants/

That doesn't sound like a denial...that sounds like double-speak admission
 
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Where are the answers from AP about these questions or have they even asked?

Is this a new policy?

How many of these immigrants went thru basic training before being "discharged"?

How many immigrants are currently serving in the Army under this government program?
 

Rasselas

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It seems many of these recruits have been rejected simply because they have family in other countries and are thus deemed insufficiently loyal to the US. But many of these people are highly educated and have specialized linguistic skills you can't find just anywhere. The most interesting comment on this story came from the former Pentagon official that founded the program Lt. Col. Margaret Stock (Ret.). She says

I think it's happening because there's been a breakdown in management at the Department of Defense and at the office of the Under Secretary of Personnel and Readiness. They're not capable of managing the program correctly, and they can't do all the background checks that they ordered. So the solution is just get rid of these people because it's too much trouble to process them.
It's an enlightening interview, transcript here: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664146/u-s-army-discharges-immigrant-soldiers-seeking-citizenship
 
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Rasselas

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Where are the answers from AP about these questions or have they even asked?

Is this a new policy?
The policy of accepting highly qualified, legal resident aliens was started in 2002 under President Bush.

How many of these immigrants went thru basic training before being "discharged"?
None. They are waiting to be vetted. But they are actually being discharged (no scare quotes) because they are legally committed to military service. Here's how Lt. Col. Stock put it in the interview linked above:
Some of them are reservists who enlisted more than two years ago. So they have a military ID card. In many cases, they have uniforms. They have been going to their unit training assemblies. They've been getting paid. They've got life insurance and healthcare. And then the other group of people are what we call active-duty future soldiers. And so after waiting for several years to ship out to training, these active-duty soldiers are also being told that they are no longer welcome in the military.
How many immigrants are currently serving in the Army under this government program?
Here's the best information I can find:
How many non-citizens currently serve in the U.S. military? Between 1999 and 2010, approximately 80,000 non-citizens joined the U.S. military force.1 Most recent data from the Department of Defense (DOD) showed that 24,000 noncitizens were on active duty in 2012, with 5,000 legal permanent residents (LPRs) enlisting into the U.S. military force each year.
https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VNA-Fact-Sheet.pdf
 
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It seems many of these recruits have been rejected simply because they have family in other countries and are thus deemed insufficiently loyal to the US. But many of these people are highly educated and have specialized linguistic skills you can't find just anywhere. The most interesting comment on this story came from the former Pentagon official that founded the program Lt. Col. Margaret Stock (Ret.). She says



It's an enlightening interview, transcript here: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664146/u-s-army-discharges-immigrant-soldiers-seeking-citizenship
I don't know how enligtening it is when someone feed you a line of bullshit like this...
I think it's happening because there's been a breakdown in management at the Department of Defense and at the office of the Under Secretary of Personnel and Readiness. They're not capable of managing the program correctly, and they can't do all the background checks that they ordered. So the solution is just get rid of these people because it's too much trouble to process them.
When the administration is full of immigrant haters...the message is clear.
 
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The policy of accepting highly qualified, legal resident aliens was started in 2002 under President Bush.

None. They are waiting to be vetted. But they are actually being discharged (no scare quotes) because they are legally committed to military service. Here's how Lt. Col. Stock put it in the interview linked above:
Here's the best information I can find: https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VNA-Fact-Sheet.pdf
There are also active duty soldiers being discharged..these are not just 'recruits' waiting to enter service.
 

Rasselas

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I don't know how enligtening it is when someone feed you a line of bullshit like this...


When the administration is full of immigrant haters...the message is clear.
Why is it bullshit? You think it's unthinkable (or even unlikely) that Trump would hire people who aren't competent at their jobs--particularly if he doesn't want that job to get done?

Her point is that those running this program under previous presidents were able to do their jobs, while those hired by Trump can't.
 
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