Incomes in the developing world start to catch up.

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He makes it because like it or not many Countries would rather that they were not dependant on the american economy because many do not trust the US. Pure and simple. I am one of those people.

Many countries are dependant on the US economy simply because it is the richest and most economically powerful nation
The question was posited to celtic pax. You choose to answer on his behalf. Telling.

Now that you have decided to interject yourself on hs behalf, explain this comment: "many Countries would rather that they were not dependant on the american economy because many do not trust the US. Pure and simple"

How is it that the US cannot be trusted? Are we dangerous? Are we lawless? We have a several thousand mile unprotected border with Canada, and with Mexico. Do we see any angst from Canadians or Mexicans, other than the extreme loony paranoid.

Both nations appear to be so secure with us as their neighbor, they have what amounts to a non-existent military and defense system which permits them to spend more of their tax money on social welfare at the expense of the US who they know provides for their safety.

So please explain what it is to not "trust?"

 
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One word. IRAQ
America can be considered to be a loose canon not to mention she has a long history of political and economical manipulation to serve her own interest. Not to mention that you also have a nasty habit of going protectionist every now and again and a market that does that for a couple of years for a time is not something you want your entire economy based on.
 
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Am i defending it?? did you not read my post. It is a complete disaster. But like i said i don't support this pathetic excuse for a government and i don't support the kind of nanny state extreme socialism that it sells.

The NHS has long waiting lines, not enough beds, is in huge debt, Hospitals across the country are set to close including my local hospital. This is not inherintly due to the fact it is a national healthcare, but simply because the government has introduced about 15 million layers of bucracy based on its ridiculous extreemist socalism. Like i've always said, socialism is a nessecity in moderation.

But the NHS used to work efficiently and well not to mention that many other national healthcare systems suffer none of these problems.
Thank you for honestly making my point. There are NO success stories of Government control of ANYTHING. Governments are inefficient, poorly run and wasteful in the extreme.

This is the best example of Socialism and how it goes wrong. For ANYONE to make the argument that Government should be managing ANYTHING other than it's prime directive, to provide for a nations defense and defend the laws of the land, is naive and historically inept.

Socialism presumes that intellects know better what is best for society and therefore better qualified to determine the distribution of wealth and services.

I challenge this absurd notion with FACTUAL proof, your case, that this will NEVER work and most attempts have led to failure.

Now it leads me to the question for the Democrats and Leftists in the US. Why, when faced with all this FACTUAL evidence, would you want that here in the US? How, when faced with FACTUAL evidence would you think that Democrats can do it better than other nations who have tried, and failed?

Thank you Roach!

 
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One word. IRAQ
America can be considered to be a loose canon not to mention she has a long history of political and economical manipulation to serve her own interest. Not to mention that you also have a nasty habit of going protectionist every now and again and a market that does that for a couple of years for a time is not something you want your entire economy based on.
Really? So tell me something Roach being a citizen of the UK (I presume based on your profile), who created the nation of Iraq?

Who carved up the Middle East in the first place?

What company discovered oil in the Middle East and was first to EXPLOIT the Arab people?


 
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Thank you for honestly making my point. There are NO success stories of Government control of ANYTHING. Governments are inefficient, poorly run and wasteful in the extreme.

This is the best example of Socialism and how it goes wrong. For ANYONE to make the argument that Government should be managing ANYTHING other than it's prime directive, to provide for a nations defense and defend the laws of the land, is naive and historically inept.

Socialism presumes that intellects know better what is best for society and therefore better qualified to determine the distribution of wealth and services.

I challenge this absurd notion with FACTUAL proof, your case, that this will NEVER work and most attempts have led to failure.

No what you have done is cut and paste my argument. You conveniantly forgot the success stories of Australia and spain and concentrated on the mess that the UK health service is.

Its like looking at a bussiness that is folding and saying that capitalism doesn't work because look these guys failed in a capitalist world.

You also ignored the part where i said that the NHS used to run efficiently and well.

Socialism has its good points and to simply state that all socialism is evil and doesn't work if ignorant and in the fact of evidence to the contary suggests an obvious agenda
 
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Really? So tell me something Roach being a citizen of the UK (I presume based on your profile), who created the nation of Iraq?

Who carved up the Middle East in the first place?

What company discovered oil in the Middle East and was first to EXPLOIT the Arab people?


The UK, and now The US has taken over.. how does proving that the UK was a horrible super power that abused the world in any way absolve the fact that America is doing the same now. Im from a generation in the UK that looks back at the Empire and says "what the fuck were we thinking"
 
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No what you have done is cut and paste my argument. You conveniantly forgot the success stories of Australia and spain and concentrated on the mess that the UK health service is.

Its like looking at a bussiness that is folding and saying that capitalism doesn't work because look these guys failed in a capitalist world.

You also ignored the part where i said that the NHS used to run efficiently and well.

Socialism has its good points and to simply state that all socialism is evil and doesn't work if ignorant and in the fact of evidence to the contary suggests an obvious agenda
"You conveniantly forgot the success stories of Australia and spain and concentrated on the mess that the UK health service is."

No, I focused on this issue as the single BEST example how Socialism fails.

Germany and France are two more countries who have the same SERIOUS issues with Government run Healthcare systems. I cannot speak on the success or lack thereof of Australia's or Spain’s because I am not as familiar with them as I am Europe’s.

If you would like, we can start a new thread about Government run healthcare, but that is not the subject of this discussion. Government run programs are inefficient, burdened with regulation, wasteful and costly.

No one can provide an honest factual case of any institution that does not meet the above description.

What is fascinating is when the citizens of these countries actually believe the costs are LESS than those of the US.

Agenda? Yes I do have an agenda, just as you do. My agenda is getting the TRUTH out about Government run institutions, their waste, their fraud and why Government is the single WORST way to manage anything in our society and economy, except for defense, and the legal system.

They even fail miserably at educating our citizens. How can ANYONE make a case for Socialism?

 
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The UK, and now The US has taken over.. how does proving that the UK was a horrible super power that abused the world in any way absolve the fact that America is doing the same now. Im from a generation in the UK that looks back at the Empire and says "what the fuck were we thinking"
I ask the question to illustrate your hypocrisy.

It is pure BS for you to suggest that what the US is doing in the Middle East today is anything remotely what Europe did in the ME which brings us the current messes we face today.

Europeans were exploiters, imperialists, spoilers and served up the borders of the countries we see today in the ME. The UN, bearing the guilt of Europe for the Holocaust, drew up the borders of what is known as Israel. A decision we are struggling with today.

Yet you Europeans would presume to lecture Americans on HOW to conduct ourselves in foreign affairs?

Do you even comprehend that the US was, and still is, BEGGED to get involved in the mess over there?

Do you comprehend that Iraq's eventual invasion was the result of their despotic leader’s actions and crimes against member nations to the UN?

To even suggest in the same thread that the US, who is working to provide for Democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq, is anything like the imperialism and exploitation Europe brought to the Middle East, or the interventionism of the former Soviet Union to expand communism in the region, is absurd and insulting to one's intelligence.

I think Europeans need to take a good LONG look in the mirror and how THEY are to blame for the issues we are confronting, before they would PRESUME to lecture America on its conduct in the region.

America is offering these nations much more than Europe or the Soviet Union ever did. A CHOICE to be free and propserous and join the 21st century.

 
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The world fears America. As it should. Historically when a nation is as powerful as ours has become, it always looks past its borders to expand its influence, typically in either conquest or creating vassal states.

America has not, but that doesnt change the fact that a nation with this much power makes the world nervous (especially those nations who have historically used armed might or economic might to seize terriroty or create vassal states).

I dont begrudge another nation for keeping a wary eye on my country. Regardless of the good we might do, and the help we've given to the world, history shows keeping an eye on anyone this powerful is a wise idea...and the leaders and educated in most of these other nations know that if America so chose, it could raise its flag in pretty much any nation around the globe without too much trouble.