Iowa Poll: Deja Vu All Over Again.

Blueneck

Former Staff
Jun 2007
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Ohio
#52
His antediluvian views on trade are not that different from Donald Trump's! He is from the Dick Gephardt wing of the Democratic Party, and I have never had ANY use for that wing of the party. Benjamin Franklin wisely said that no nation has ever been impoverished by commerce, and Americans seem to be forgetting that.
So what's your idea on how Americans are supposed to compete with people who only earn $1 an hour?
 
Jan 2016
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Colorado
#54
So what's your idea on how Americans are supposed to compete with people who only earn $1 an hour?
Why, by being more well-educated, more well-trained, and by having access to much more physical capital, and much more advanced technology.

In exactly the same way we competed with the rest of the world in the decades after World War II, in other words, when we stood astride the world like a colossus.
 
Mar 2012
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36,421
New Hampshire
#56
What we should probably do is to have eight or ten or maybe twelve REGIONAL primaries, and they could, yes, rotate, so that every region would get a turn to go first eventually. New England could form one region, for example, the Upper Atlantic states (New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware) could form another region, etc.
Thats not a bad idea actually. But as far as Iowa and NH go, they also are important because they give a hint to the electoral college win not the popular vote. If CA, NY were first it really is meaningless. One can win those states by millions of votes and still lose the electoral college. At least around here, they come to hear what people think about the candidates. The candidates the use it as a gauge as to how to run their heartland campaigns. Running a campaign in NY is vastly different than in Iowa.
 
Mar 2012
54,789
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New Hampshire
#57
By population … % pop … rank

CA ... #1 ... 39,776,830 ... 12.13%

TX ... #2 ... 28,704,330 ... 8.75%

NY... #4 ... 19,862, 512 ... 6.06

IA ... #30 ... 3,160,553 ... .96%

NH ... #41 ... 1.350,575 … .41%

There are cities in CA and NY , and probably TX, with higher population than IA or NH. Los Angeles has higher population than either IA or NH … 4.02 million.

US States - ranked by population - 2018
Thats meaningless with the electoral college. One can also win both NY and CA by millions of votes and still lose the general. Hence why smaller states typically went first in the primaries. So they could have a say electorally, not by popular vote. Its also big business. As I recall NH took in over a billion dollars in 2016 campaign season. Its huge business for shops, hotels, restaurants etc. Places are already hiring for it now. Its big business here.
 
Mar 2012
54,789
36,421
New Hampshire
#58
Why, by being more well-educated, more well-trained, and by having access to much more physical capital, and much more advanced technology.

In exactly the same way we competed with the rest of the world in the decades after World War II, in other words, when we stood astride the world like a colossus.
To be fair, the rest of the world was in shambles and we didnt have the communication or technology to outsource or make things overseas. Now we will always go where labor is cheaper, thats why its constantly moving. Heard an analyst lamenting last week that "Mexico is getting too expensive to manufacture in." They were talking about Bhutan or Bangladesh now. Companies will always play the shell game of moving work now because its easy and they can. After WWII they couldnt if they wanted to.
 

Ian Jeffrey

Council Hall
Mar 2013
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42,358
Vulcan, down the street from Darth Vader
#59
Thats meaningless with the electoral college. One can also win both NY and CA by millions of votes and still lose the general. Hence why smaller states typically went first in the primaries. So they could have a say electorally, not by popular vote.
That does not make sense, since the smaller states would have same proportional say in a primary if all the primaries were held on the same day.
Its also big business.
That is not a reason to skew primary politics. We should have a national government determined by the needs of local business? I can understand why NH, Iowa and South Carolina would want to keep the present system in protecting their own interests, but that is not the national interest.
 

Ian Jeffrey

Council Hall
Mar 2013
73,873
42,358
Vulcan, down the street from Darth Vader
#60
Now we will always go where labor is cheaper, thats why its constantly moving. Heard an analyst lamenting last week that "Mexico is getting too expensive to manufacture in." They were talking about Bhutan or Bangladesh now. Companies will always play the shell game of moving work now because its easy and they can.
Of course, which keeps prices down as well. With advanced communications and transportation technology, the world has shrunken, making free trade better for everyone in the long run. It does mean, however, that America needs to innovate more in order to keep up our standard of living across the board (rather than just for the top 1% who own 80+% of everything).