Is masturbation a crime against the self?

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It's been widely understood that making "sex" the be-all end-all of life leads to cultural degeneracy - whether "religious" thinkers, or thinkers like Napoleon Hill, every evolved and enlightened culture has encouraged people to apply their energy to things which aren't of a purely sexual or physical variety.

Were it not so, our society would not have evolved past the likes of Neanderthals - sadly, a fatuous and consumerist culture glorifies sex, porn, and fast food, and enables those who view this as life's penultimate goal to fester in their own slovinliness - this is why we have a nation where the poor are fatter than the rich, if we rather denied them these simplistic pleasures, this might provide forced encouragement to make themselves productive and enlightened, since they are unwilling to do this on their own volition.
Says who? Besides you? Napoleon Hill was a conman who got rich off of suckers. You’d be better off following the wisdom of Napoleon Dynamite. That said, animals exist to eat, sleep and procreate. I think a fully actualized human being can do more than those things, but it’s not a requirement.

Prove to me why evolving past the level of the Neanderthals is a good thing. What’s the purpose? We’re all going to die anyway, so why not just enjoy the short time we are here?
 
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All things in moderation, my friend. Listen to your body.

I might also add that you can't love another until you love yourself.
 

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This wasn't advocating control (beyond self control, perhaps) - merely asking an existential question.
Based on the way this question is framed, I'm not seeing any law broken that would make it a crime. Even in your explanation.

Furthermore, one would have to agree with the idea that the mind is the rider and the body is the horse to then agree with your question.

Doesn't the stimulation of an orgasm benefit/stimulate the brain as well as the body?
So even if your brain was the rider and the body is the horse this would be more akin to riding a horse and then calling that abuse - or as your title says "a crime".

TLDR: no.
 
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I used to date many women when I worked in sales, including strippers and women who I later found out were married - but saw that this fatuous worldview leads to nihilism and cultural degeneracy , lowering oneself to the level of a feral dog- as does wishing to live as a monk or ascetic who denies himself all but the minimum required to survive, as Schopenhaur postulated.
I used to date a few women when I was young and single. Women that I liked and got along with. I saw that hese healthy monogamous-for-now relationships added joy and activity and quality to my life. And I did my very best to add the same to theirs. When the relationship was sexual, it was based on a mutual trust and admiration and sense of togetherness. When the relationship ran its course it was concluded with honestly and as mature adults. Always with one party being a bit blindsided, but never with deceit or malice.

Oddly enough - the result is I won't spend my middle or latter years of my life bitterly resenting others. I won't fume with rage at other people's sex lives. I won't stress and suffer anxiety at other people's problems. I won't pound a keyboard calling people idiots or Neanderthals or perverts or filth or degenerates.

I'll just go home and play with my kids, and talk with my wife.

You're applying philosophy to a country to try to understand an issue that exists only between ones own ears.
 
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Says who? Besides you? Napoleon Hill was a conman who got rich off of suckers. You’d be better off following the wisdom of Napoleon Dynamite. That said, animals exist to eat, sleep and procreate. I think a fully actualized human being can do more than those things, but it’s not a requirement.

Prove to me why evolving past the level of the Neanderthals is a good thing. What’s the purpose? We’re all going to die anyway, so why not just enjoy the short time we are here?
A savage will enjoy the short time it is here by raping, murdering, plundering - for if life is meaningless, there is no reason not to devolve into lower and lower forms of savagery, just as the beasts so - civilization, of course, American, European, or otherwise, is based on these notions.
 
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Only when posted in Political Discussions which indicates such a high degree of cluelessness on the part of the OP that even our patented PH therapy couch will be unable to cure.
 
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Then go somewhere other than a forum for POLITICAL DISCUSSION.

i don't always (maybe ever) agree with the views put forth by this evolver person but I do find them interesting. telling someone not to post because you don't like their views seems , well, kind of lame. *shrug*
 
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While this may be a religious belief, it is also the subject of secular thought - such as by thinkers like Immanuel Kant.

In some traditions, as well as in some psychology - a person's body is akin to a "horse", and their mind the "rider" - while the notion of "spirit" can be linked to breath, even if one does not want to bring mysticism or the "supernatural" into it.

From this perspective, one's mind is the master of one's body, and masturbation is akin to abusing an animal under one's care.

Masturbation itself, may not be the cause of consumerism and degeneracy in the world, but a society of decadent consumerists is one in which masturbation and self-satiation are seen as the highest goods in an otherwise meaningless and worthless life - unlike in an evolved society, in which one is encouraged to prove their utility to the species.

In regards to degenerates such as "Incels" and the like, who view sex, pornography, and base things as the highest good, let alone an "entitlement" much as any lower, unthinking animal would, and are allowed to fester in their own slovenliness like nasty bacteria in a petri dish.

If society made them into eunuchs instead, or denied their masturbatory desires, perhaps this would encourage them to evolve or die, and lead to fitness for the species, nation, or tribe. We spay and neuter cats and feral animals, so why should a feral human be any different? By lowering himself to the level of a beast, he effectively loses his humanity in the process.
If you're not in the mood and you still do it, did you just rape yourself?