Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame?

Ian Jeffrey

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Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame? No.

A viral meme shared on social media following the Parkland, Fla., shooting claimed the United States has the third-highest count of murders worldwide, a ranking that would drop dramatically if five major cities were excluded.

The image has been circulating since at least 2015.

We decided to take a closer look. Is the United States third in murders, and are a few outlier cities responsible? That’s false by any standard.

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What, then, accounts for such blatant misrepresentations?
 
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650 murdered in chicago in 2017


While the meme is not the most accurate of tales the fact remains, if you don't have a criminal record your chance of being shot is on par with being shot in.... Denmark
 
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Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame? No.

A viral meme shared on social media following the Parkland, Fla., shooting claimed the United States has the third-highest count of murders worldwide, a ranking that would drop dramatically if five major cities were excluded.

The image has been circulating since at least 2015.

We decided to take a closer look. Is the United States third in murders, and are a few outlier cities responsible? That’s false by any standard.

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What, then, accounts for such blatant misrepresentations?
Does homicides per 100,000 people accurately represent how dangerous an area really is?
 
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Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame? No.

A viral meme shared on social media following the Parkland, Fla., shooting claimed the United States has the third-highest count of murders worldwide, a ranking that would drop dramatically if five major cities were excluded.

The image has been circulating since at least 2015.

We decided to take a closer look. Is the United States third in murders, and are a few outlier cities responsible? That’s false by any standard.

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What, then, accounts for such blatant misrepresentations?
Politifact

And, the sheeple who parrot such nonsense.
 
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Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame? No.

A viral meme shared on social media following the Parkland, Fla., shooting claimed the United States has the third-highest count of murders worldwide, a ranking that would drop dramatically if five major cities were excluded.

The image has been circulating since at least 2015.

We decided to take a closer look. Is the United States third in murders, and are a few outlier cities responsible? That’s false by any standard.

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What, then, accounts for such blatant misrepresentations?

Agree. The "viral meme" making the rounds is misleading and over the top. But so are many of the claims made by the other extreme in the gun control debate.

Interesting article you linked. Good read/details.


"The main study of intentional homicides is performed by the United Nations’ Office of Drug Control. The UN warns against cross-national comparisons because of the differences in legal definitions of intentional homicides and recording practices.

Our count of the UN’s data placed the United States ninth in intentional homicides. We used the most up-to-date count for each country and territory, which included data anywhere from 2007 to 2015.

As the country with the third-highest population size, however, experts told us the number of people killed is not a very useful metric.

Controlling for population size, most criminologists use the per 100,000 metric. By that standard, we found the United States ranked 94th.

When we counted only the countries for which the UN had 2015 data, the United States ranked 73rd. That’s still far from the top ten."
 
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Is the United States third in murders and are outlier cities to blame? No.

A viral meme shared on social media following the Parkland, Fla., shooting claimed the United States has the third-highest count of murders worldwide, a ranking that would drop dramatically if five major cities were excluded.

The image has been circulating since at least 2015.

We decided to take a closer look. Is the United States third in murders, and are a few outlier cities responsible? That’s false by any standard.

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What, then, accounts for such blatant misrepresentations?
While slightly off topic for me, I can appreciate the source you list, lists their sources as well. Time for some reading.
 
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My impression was that these cities were chosen because of their high black populations, gun law or not.