Is this the Scandinavia Sanders dreams of:

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Uh, no. Whut progressives like Bernie want is to eliminate the slave class of undocumented people whose wages are such a threat to American citizen workers.

There's an important policy at issue, which will affect us all.
Bernie is not the "democrats" I speak of and I don't know why you dishonestly persist in this line of double speak. Bernie is an honest outspoken self avowed socialist and the DNC wants nothing to do with him.
 
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Bernie is not the "democrats" I speak of and I don't know why you dishonestly persist in this line of double speak. Bernie is an honest outspoken self avowed socialist and the DNC wants nothing to do with him.
Actually, Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a socialist socialist. Important difference.

Meanwhile, Bernie is propounding traditional Democratic Party positions, directly traceable to LBJ's Medicare and FDR's New Deal.

It's ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE in the DNC who has betrayed these core values by trying to out-conservative the Republicans.

The 2016 election was a choice between the right (Trump) and the far right (Hillary), and Biden is the DNC's heir apparent.
 
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Actually, Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a socialist socialist. Important difference.

Meanwhile, Bernie is propounding traditional Democratic Party positions, directly traceable to LBJ's Medicare and FDR's New Deal.

It's ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE in the DNC who has betrayed these core values by trying to out-conservative the Republicans.

The 2016 election was a choice between the right (Trump) and the far right (Hillary), and Biden is the DNC's heir apparent.
The democratic socialist definition is lipstick on a pig. A socialist is a socialist no matter how you dress it up.
 
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The democratic socialist definition is lipstick on a pig. A socialist is a socialist no matter how you dress it up.
Are you saying no industrialized nation has a democracy or a capitalist economy? Not even the U.S.?

Because each of them has socialistic programs.
 
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Sanders isn't promoting the idea that everyone have the same income. I do have a problem with a handful of people having more money than God and other people who work 2 and 3 jobs barely have enough to get by. I consider it morally wrong that Jeff Bezos has the billions he has but the median income at Amazon is about $28,000 a year.

I don't have a problem with people owning yachts. I have a problem with people owning yachts who treat the people who work for them like shit.
You know that to be the case, more so then any other employer over their employees.
 

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AGREED. The labor of undocumented people is a HUGE wealth creator for some American employers, and they will do virtually anything to keep it.
That's the norm now, everywhere...

Everyone overlooks them as they scurry about in their luminescent orange uniforms at all hours of the day and night, armed only with small brushes and the the type of long-handled lobby dustpans a concierge might use in New York or London to tidy up an entrance.

Moscow’s army of road sweepers keeps the Russian capital pretty spotless, but Muscovites hardly notice.

Most of the nearly 30,000 sweepers in the city appear to be Central Asian migrants — they are underpaid and the thankless drudgery offers few, if any, fringe benefits.

“If you fall sick, you get nothing,” said Sukhrab, a father of three from Kyrgyzstan, whose dark hair is flecked with gray and whose worn face makes him look considerably older than his 39 years.

A few months ago he suffered a stroke, but returned to sweeping as soon as he could struggle to his feet.

The city apparently has more than 6,000 single-seat vacuum trucks but tends only to deploy them, along with sprinkler trucks, sparingly, and then generally in swankier boulevards and districts in the center.

The machines are expensive to run and maintain and break down frequently.

“We are cheaper,” Sukhrab said.

The average monthly road-sweeping salary is $346 a month. Sukhrab, a veteran, earns around $500.

With a huge pool of Central Asian migrants in Russia — at least 11 million — there are plenty of workers available. Migrants are at the bottom of a strictly observed street-cleaning hierarchy and tend to be the drudges. Team supervisors and managers invariably are Russian. The bosses are corrupt.

“To keep our jobs we have to give the supervisors gifts,” he said.

Moscow’s road sweepers can be out in the streets even in the middle of the night, regardless of the weather, now starting to turn bitterly cold.

“They can send us out at any time,” Sukhrab said, adding, “Orders are sent by WhatsApp.”



Popular joke over there, these days, which rhymes in Russian, goes "Three Uzbeks [or Tajiks or Kyrgyzs] with shovels can replace an excavator/bulldozer [and are cheaper too."

All the dangerous and dirty menial work in construction, maintenance, and cleaning in Moscow is done by these guys, period, and in plenty other cities in Russia...

While, back in Central Asia, actually generations of kids now routinely grow up essentially without their fathers...
 

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Actually, Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a socialist socialist. Important difference.

Meanwhile, Bernie is propounding traditional Democratic Party positions, directly traceable to LBJ's Medicare and FDR's New Deal.

It's ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE in the DNC who has betrayed these core values by trying to out-conservative the Republicans.

The 2016 election was a choice between the right (Trump) and the far right (Hillary), and Biden is the DNC's heir apparent.
LBJ? Everything that killer did was a crime. Including the biggest cover-up in History. Bernie is a Red. Wants the Communist utopia that they now have in Venezuela.
 
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LBJ? Everything that killer did was a crime. Including the biggest cover-up in History. Bernie is a Red. Wants the Communist utopia that they now have in Venezuela.
LBJ proposed and signed the law that created Medicare. Free health care for elders.

Bernie is not a communist.

Nobody wants to imitate Venezula.