Judge says there's no fundamental right to learn to read and write

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It's so much more complicated than this though. I have 2 school aged children and the budget is just hopeless.

The budget is being eaten alive from the inside, no amount of money you throw at it will fix the problem.

There is an exploding population of children who are considered special needs, with that increased number comes increased representation. Special needs can be anything from an autistic student to one whose primary spoken language is other than English. All of these kids are in "mainstream" classes, they all get paras, special transportation and in addition to their mainstreamed education they receive specialized instruction and facilities.

In my city, education takes up 60% of the overall budget. The police department has been kicking the can on a station and radio system since the mid 90s. The fire department has 1 fire inspector for a population of 60k. The mill rate is 41.46, downtown is largely vacant and we currently have 178 properties listed as foreclosures.

More people should read this. Idiots think somehow the federal government is the magic bullet that funds education. It's barely 7 percent. Locals carry most of the water.
 
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More federal funding is the answer.
Nothing is more important for the welfare of citizens than UHC and good public education.

The COTUS demands that congress provide for the general welfare out of the tax money it's authorized to levy and collect.

So whose welfare checks do you cut out, in order to get that funding? (Welfare and entitlements are 75 percent of the budget.) How do you pay for the federal government putting in more than its usual 7 percent?

And WHY should any local school district trust the federal government, when every extra penny comes with reams of paperwork and mandates that take teachers OUT of classrooms?

Here's an alternative idea:

ABOLISH this huge waste of money, the Department of Education.

Block grant HALF it's budget to the states. Give the taxpayers a break on the other half.
 
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Doesn't matter - Second Amendment rights are limited.

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

- SC Justice Scalia, District of Columbia v. Heller
I take it, you have no answer as to why you've tried to change the subject.
 
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Link? Which countries? Do you have their statutes?

In America, we have the RIGHT to free speech and the RIGHT to bear arms. That's clearly laid out in our Constitution. Do you have a link ANYWHERE in our national laws (other than your opinion) of a legally legislated right to an education?
This article provides some details about which countries have declared a free education as a right, and what that means.

However, there are over 50 countries, including the US, South Africa, Malaysia and a majority of Sub-Saharan African countries which do not have any constitutional provision to provide free and compulsory education to children.

India joins list of 135 countries in making education a right
Once again, the US ranks with the third world,

MAGA!
 
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This article provides some details about which countries have declared a free education as a right, and what that means.

First of all, the thread says a right to learn to read and write. It doesn't say a right to FREE EDUCATION.
Secondly, the phrase FREE EDUCATION is a fucking LIE, unless you can provide a link showing where teachers work for free, buildings are provided for free and education materials are all donated by various stores. If you can't say that, then education is NOT free.

Once again, the US ranks with the third world

We used to, back when our idiot population (assisted by an ass load of illegal aliens) elected the KENYAN VILLAGE IDIOT to two terms as president. I'll grant you THAT was evidence of universal DUMBASS all the way around.

Slowly, the country is moving back to smart. Putting Trump in charge was the first step.
 
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Do you have any proof?

Americans have the RIGHT to free speech that is not hindered by government.
First Amendment
Americans have the RIGHT to bear arms, that is not hindered by government.
Second Amendment

That was easy. Can you produce ANY proof from ANY statutes of ANY country, including the United States of a right to an education?
You can google individual state constitutions.

During the Colonial era and into the early American republic, most Americans shared DeVos’s notion that education was a family responsibility. Parents who could afford it taught their children at home, hired itinerant men or women who “kept” school for a fee, or sent older children to charter schools called academies. Most Americans had little formal schooling.

The Revolution transformed how some Americans thought about education. These Americans agreed with Thomas Jefferson that the future of the republic depended on an educated citizenry. They also believed that the opportunities offered by schooling should be available to rich and poor alike. Many state constitutions included clauses like Georgia’s in 1777: “Schools shall be erected in each county, and supported at the general expense of the State.” But how to execute this directive? The best way, American leaders ultimately concluded, was to encourage local public schools and to limit the growth of academies.

As early as the 1780s, Massachusetts Gov. Samuel Adams asserted that academies increased inequality because well-off families chose them over local district schools. Citizens, Adams argued, “will never willingly and cheerfully support two systems of schools.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/08/20/early-america-had-school-choice-the-founders-rejected-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7e7d15816ddd
I hadnt realized that when trump says he wants to MAGA, he's referring to America's colonial past.
 
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More federal funding is the answer.
Nothing is more important for the welfare of citizens than UHC and good public education.

The COTUS demands that congress provide for the general welfare out of the tax money it's authorized to levy and collect.
Nothing is more important to the welfare of the country than the education of our people - the founding fathers knew this.
 
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Sep 2013
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On a hill
More federal funding is the answer.
Nothing is more important for the welfare of citizens than UHC and good public education.

The COTUS demands that congress provide for the general welfare out of the tax money it's authorized to levy and collect.

So whose welfare checks do you cut out, in order to get that funding? (Welfare and entitlements are 75 percent of the budget.) How do you pay for the federal government putting in more than its usual 7 percent?

And WHY should any local school district trust the federal government, when every extra penny comes with reams of paperwork and mandates that take teachers OUT of classrooms?

Here's an alternative idea:

ABOLISH this huge waste of money, the Department of Education.

Block grant HALF it's budget to the states. Give the taxpayers a break on the other half.
Corporate welfare, such as that Wisconsin promised to Foxconn.

The Department of Educations budget is $68 billion. The State of Californias education budget is $76 billion.

BTW, do you know what the DOE does?
 
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I take it, you have no answer as to why you've tried to change the subject.
You're saying that one right carries more weight than another because it was in the Bill of Rights. And I'm not sure how that logic holds.

What is the legal basis for stating that a right described in the Bill of Rights carries more rights than those legally conferred elsewhere? Legally established rights are legal rights, regardless of their origin or age. One is not "more legal" than another.
 
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This article provides some details about which countries have declared a free education as a right, and what that means.

First of all, the thread says a right to learn to read and write. It doesn't say a right to FREE EDUCATION.
Secondly, the phrase FREE EDUCATION is a fucking LIE, unless you can provide a link showing where teachers work for free, buildings are provided for free and education materials are all donated by various stores. If you can't say that, then education is NOT free.

Once again, the US ranks with the third world

We used to, back when our idiot population (assisted by an ass load of illegal aliens) elected the KENYAN VILLAGE IDIOT to two terms as president. I'll grant you THAT was evidence of universal DUMBASS all the way around.

Slowly, the country is moving back to smart. Putting Trump in charge was the first step.
Countries define the education their people have a right to differently, but all include literacy, the ability to read and write.
 
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