Just...damn

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Silly man. The Soviet Union did not collapse due to America.
No it collapsed due to Reagan. He was the lone ranger in this. Official US policy was that the USSR was a strong and growing entity and we had to find a way to coexist with them. Reagan summarily rejected that and systematically set out to destroy them both militarily in Afghanistan and financially world wide. He purposely cultivated his image as unpredictable and launched countless bombing formations at the Soviets from every angle towards every inch of their border only to have them break off at the last possible moment. Soviets feared a first strike from the "cowboy" and took these missions as probes of their defensive capabilities and it scared the shit out of them. This forced them to spend billions on revamping radar installations along thousands of miles of border. That's just one of countless programs Reagan initiated to sap Soviet resources and dry up Soviet income streams.
 
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In the case of the people I'm talking about, anyone who speaks English with an accent. I've spent a day or two in Columbus with them and they spent most of the time complaining about the Somali population. But illegals, same thing. And refugees are all terrorists. The basic attitude is "they need to quit lettin' all them people in here".

But they don't address the fact Trump hires these same people to work at his resorts, because they see it as a necessary evil or something. "At least he's trying" despite the fact they see very little change, they attribute that to liberals. But at the same time, the "kids in cages" thing meets the response "Obama did that too", while giving Obama zero credit for trying, they applaud Trump.

Once a person decides that one side of the aisle is responsible for all ills in the country, it's pretty easy to find ways to ignore hypocrisy and just blame "libruls" for everything. It's exhausting.
I seriously doubt you know people who think speaking English with an accent is grounds for deportation. Exaggerate much?
 
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You obviously know nothing about what Reagan did to bring down the USSR. Stingers to Afghanistan, deals with Saudi to increase oil production to limit the Soviet income from it's oil, sanctions on the gas pipeline to Europe Soviets desperately nedded, black ops misinformation technology leaks that Soviets wasted billions on, support of Solidarity in Czechoslovakia on and on and on but all you know is you hate Reagan.
Reagan did not do crap. The wall came down while he was in office because that is what the people demanded.
 
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Reagan did not do crap. The wall came down while he was in office because that is what the people demanded.
Taking their thinking to reality, Ronnie 666guns was long gone when the Wall came down.
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The Brandenburg Gate in the Berlin Wall was opened on 22 December 1989. The demolition of the Wall officially began on 13 June 1990 and was completed in November 1991. The "fall of the Berlin Wall" paved the way for German reunification, which formally took place on 3 October 1990.
 
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Reagan did not do crap. The wall came down while he was in office because that is what the people demanded.
I told you just a few of the things he did. Are you calling me a liar? Do you deny Reagan gave the Afghan fighters Stinger missiles which was a game changer in Afghanistan and led to their departure?
 
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This is very powerful...and true. It’s a sad time we live in.


Poignant and sad words from Charles Pierce in Esquire:
"In my life, I have watched John Kennedy talk on television about missiles in Cuba. I saw Lyndon Johnson look Richard Russell squarely in the eye and and say, "And we shall overcome." I saw Richard Nixon resign and Gerald Ford tell the Congress that our long national nightmare was over. I saw Jimmy Carter talk about malaise and Ronald Reagan talk about a shining city on a hill. I saw George H.W. Bush deliver the eulogy for the Soviet bloc, and Bill Clinton comfort the survivors of Timothy McVeigh's madness in Oklahoma City. I saw George W. Bush struggle to make sense of it all on September 11, 2001, and I saw Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" in the wounded sanctuary of Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, South Carolina.
These were the presidents of my lifetime. These were not perfect men. They were not perfect presidents, god knows. Not one of them was that. But they approached the job, and they took to the podium, with all the gravitas they could muster as appropriate to the job. They tried, at least, to reach for something in the presidency that was beyond their grasp as ordinary human beings. They were not all ennobled by the attempt, but they tried nonetheless.
And comes now this hopeless, vicious buffoon, and the audience of equally hopeless and vicious buffoons who laughed and cheered when he made sport of a woman whose lasting memory of the trauma she suffered is the laughter of the perpetrators. Now he comes, a man swathed in scandal, with no interest beyond what he can put in his pocket and what he can put over on a universe of suckers, and he does something like this while occupying an office that we gave him, and while endowed with a public trust that he dishonors every day he wakes up in the White House.
The scion of a multigenerational criminal enterprise, the parameters of which we are only now beginning to comprehend. A vessel for all the worst elements of the American condition. And a cheap, soulless bully besides.
Watch him make fun of the woman again. Watch how a republic dies in the empty eyes of an empty man who feels nothing but his own imaginary greatness, and who cannot find in himself the decency simply to shut the fuck up even when it is in his best interest to do so. Presidents don't have to be heroes to be good presidents. They just have to realize that their humanity is our common humanity, and that their political commonwealth is our political commonwealth, too.
Watch him again, behind the seal of the President of the United States. Isn't he a funny man? Isn't what happened to that lady hilarious? Watch the assembled morons cheer. This is the only story now."
Just in case anyone is interested, the woman mentioned is one of the accusers of Kavinaugh. Here's a video of Trump attacking and mocking her in the Trump fashion we've all become accustomed to:


Are we proud of our president?
 
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No it collapsed due to Reagan. He was the lone ranger in this. Official US policy was that the USSR was a strong and growing entity and we had to find a way to coexist with them. Reagan summarily rejected that and systematically set out to destroy them both militarily in Afghanistan and financially world wide. He purposely cultivated his image as unpredictable and launched countless bombing formations at the Soviets from every angle towards every inch of their border only to have them break off at the last possible moment. Soviets feared a first strike from the "cowboy" and took these missions as probes of their defensive capabilities and it scared the shit out of them. This forced them to spend billions on revamping radar installations along thousands of miles of border. That's just one of countless programs Reagan initiated to sap Soviet resources and dry up Soviet income streams.
Foolishness.

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When Mikhail Gorbachev was named general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) on March 11, 1985, his primary domestic goals were to jump-start the moribund Soviet economy and to streamline the cumbersome government bureaucracy. When his initial attempts at reform failed to yield significant results, he instituted the policies of glasnost (“openness”) and perestroika (“restructuring”). The former was intended to foster dialogue, while the latter introduced quasi free market policies to government-run industries. Rather than sparking a renaissance in Communist thought, glasnost opened the floodgates to criticism of the entire Soviet apparatus. The state lost control of both the media and the public sphere, and democratic reform movements gained steam throughout the Soviet bloc. Perestroika exhibited the worst of the capitalist and communist systems: price controls were lifted in some markets, but existing bureaucratic structures were left in place, meaning that Communist officials were able to push back against those policies that did not benefit them personally. In the end, Gorbachev’s reforms and his abandonment of the Brezhnev Doctrine hastened the demise of the Soviet empire. By the end of 1989 Hungary had dismantled its border fence with Austria, Solidarity had swept into power in Poland, the Baltic states were taking concrete steps toward independence, and the Berlin Wall had been toppled. The Iron Curtain had fallen, and the Soviet Union would not long outlast it.

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Foolishness.

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When Mikhail Gorbachev was named general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) on March 11, 1985, his primary domestic goals were to jump-start the moribund Soviet economy and to streamline the cumbersome government bureaucracy. When his initial attempts at reform failed to yield significant results, he instituted the policies of glasnost (“openness”) and perestroika (“restructuring”). The former was intended to foster dialogue, while the latter introduced quasi free market policies to government-run industries. Rather than sparking a renaissance in Communist thought, glasnost opened the floodgates to criticism of the entire Soviet apparatus. The state lost control of both the media and the public sphere, and democratic reform movements gained steam throughout the Soviet bloc. Perestroika exhibited the worst of the capitalist and communist systems: price controls were lifted in some markets, but existing bureaucratic structures were left in place, meaning that Communist officials were able to push back against those policies that did not benefit them personally. In the end, Gorbachev’s reforms and his abandonment of the Brezhnev Doctrine hastened the demise of the Soviet empire. By the end of 1989 Hungary had dismantled its border fence with Austria, Solidarity had swept into power in Poland, the Baltic states were taking concrete steps toward independence, and the Berlin Wall had been toppled. The Iron Curtain had fallen, and the Soviet Union would not long outlast it.

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I think Lech Walesa deserves a lot more credit than he gets. Most Americans still don't know who he was.
 
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Foolishness.

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When Mikhail Gorbachev was named general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) on March 11, 1985, his primary domestic goals were to jump-start the moribund Soviet economy and to streamline the cumbersome government bureaucracy. When his initial attempts at reform failed to yield significant results, he instituted the policies of glasnost (“openness”) and perestroika (“restructuring”). The former was intended to foster dialogue, while the latter introduced quasi free market policies to government-run industries. Rather than sparking a renaissance in Communist thought, glasnost opened the floodgates to criticism of the entire Soviet apparatus. The state lost control of both the media and the public sphere, and democratic reform movements gained steam throughout the Soviet bloc. Perestroika exhibited the worst of the capitalist and communist systems: price controls were lifted in some markets, but existing bureaucratic structures were left in place, meaning that Communist officials were able to push back against those policies that did not benefit them personally. In the end, Gorbachev’s reforms and his abandonment of the Brezhnev Doctrine hastened the demise of the Soviet empire. By the end of 1989 Hungary had dismantled its border fence with Austria, Solidarity had swept into power in Poland, the Baltic states were taking concrete steps toward independence, and the Berlin Wall had been toppled. The Iron Curtain had fallen, and the Soviet Union would not long outlast it.

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What your source leaves out here is how the Soviets got into the untenable situation that Gorby inherited. That was Reagan's doing. By the time Gorby showed up the Soviet empire was collapsing and all he could do is manage that collapse. By the way running to wiki for a response shows you have no knowledge of the subject and couldn't back up your initial statement with that knowledge.