JUST IN: Video appears to show missile hitting object in sky over Tehran

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Had initially thought the plane went down shortly after coming across the Iran border. Flying into Iranian airspace. The fact that the plane was (apparently) shot down as it took off from the Tehran airport in Central Iran is just bizarre.

What the fuck could the person have been thinking who gave that order? And as you note....that individual may no longer be with us. RIP.

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Bad things happen when an air defense network is on "shoot at everything hostile on sight" fire watch. Iran was mobilizing for war, as were we.

Iran is still responsible for what happened, but the plane should have never been allowed to take off in the first place.
 
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They thought it was incoming US missiles attack. This occurred just a few hours after Iran launched it's missiles into Iraq.
the radar track should of shown it was climbing from a direction that leads back to an international airport. Was there transponder info on that military radar?
 
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Had initially thought the plane went down shortly after coming across the Iran border. Flying into Iranian airspace. The fact that the plane was (apparently) shot down as it took off from the Tehran airport in Central Iran is just bizarre.

What the fuck could the person have been thinking who gave that order? And as you note....that individual may no longer be with us. RIP.

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Imagine if they had their hands on nukes!!!!!! They are damn nuts!
 

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the radar track should of shown it was climbing from a direction that leads back to an international airport. Was there transponder info on that military radar?
Probably not. Transponders are for use by civilian ATC authorities, air defense radar is just going to show all contacts and as much independently observable information about those contacts as possible. When the U.S. shot down Iran Air Flight 655, AWACS indicated the target's size, course and orientation. Crews erroneously tagged it as an F-14 on an attack run, they should have examined the data to know it could not be a fighter-bomber, it was much larger and operating as a civilian craft. But they didn't.
 
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Probably not. Transponders are for use by civilian ATC authorities, air defense radar is just going to show all contacts and as much independently observable information about those contacts as possible. When the U.S. shot down Iran Air Flight 655, AWACS indicated the target's size, course and orientation. Crews erroneously tagged it as an F-14 on an attack run, they should have examined the data to know it could not be a fighter-bomber, it was much larger and operating as a civilian craft. But they didn't.
They did not have a lot of time to check all that.

They radioed warnings which were ignored.
 
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There's a story out about how one passenger called her husband in Canada, saying she needed to leave but didn't feel safe flying while tensions were as high as they were. She felt like there was at least a chance that someone would shoot her plane down. She made the call 20 minutes before she died.

This is a global failure. Iran has murdered dozens of innocents, but international aviation authorities have the power to shut down the entire airspace to civilian passenger traffic. Why did they not do so, when the U.S. president and Iranian leaders were each publicly telling the world to prepare for total war?

It's like 737 Max 8. That plane should have been grounded globally after the first crash. It was evident within days what had happened. Nothing. There appears to be a climate of indecision infesting aviation regulators. Airlines and passengers get mad when you err on the side of caution, so they don't.
Yep, that complacency pisses me off, frankly...

Just as with MH17: it was not a secret, at that time, that the Donbass area in East Ukraine was a war zone.

More over, it was well known that the Ukrainian government had attempted to use air power against the pro-Russian forces

who, in turn, got sophisticated anti-aircraft systems from Russia

and were blowing the Ukrainians out of the sky


And yet, nobody thought it might be dangerous for civilian airliners to fucking fly through that???

WTF...

Same here...
 
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They did not have a lot of time to check all that.

They radioed warnings which were ignored.
It was their responsibility to check it anyway, but my overall point was, both the U.S. crews and Iranian crews saw data, interpreted it wrongly, and acted decisively when that's what they're trained to do, especially when they are in crisis mode. Hindsight judgement is really, really difficult, and because we know all that we know about the hazards of errant air-defense during a crisis, we should not be allowing passengers jets to fly through dangerous airspace EVER, period.
 
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Probably not. Transponders are for use by civilian ATC authorities, air defense radar is just going to show all contacts and as much independently observable information about those contacts as possible. When the U.S. shot down Iran Air Flight 655, AWACS indicated the target's size, course and orientation. Crews erroneously tagged it as an F-14 on an attack run, they should have examined the data to know it could not be a fighter-bomber, it was much larger and operating as a civilian craft. But they didn't.

Aircraft do transmit an IFF