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Last I checked, it was a Democrat president who added more to the debt than anyone else.

FAR more...
Yet trump resides over the largest debt ever in the history of the United States.

In raw terms, Trump added the second-most debt of any recent president. According to the Treasury data, the US added $2.07 trillion — $2,065,536,336,472.90 to be exact — in new debt between Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017, and February 11, when the country pushed past $22 trillion. (The US added another $2.8 billion through February 15, the latest daily figures available.)

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One important difference between Trump's debt figures and Obama's is that Trump has added a massive amount of debt while the US economy has been strong, whereas Obama took over during the depths of the financial crisis.

 

CtC

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Think carefully about what you know about political platforms. For starters, what is the purpose of a political platform? Is it to accurate describe a party's plan-of-action? Or is it more of a marketing tool, designed to appeal to potential voters?

You're not foolish; you know the answer to that one. And when you're trying to appeal to voters, you exaggerate - you tell those demographics what they want to hear, no matter how far-fetched or unrealistic. AOC, for example, knows perfectly well that if she's lucky, she'll see about 20-30% of her goals come to pass in the next two or three decades. If she made her platform more modest and realistic, it would fail to energize voters.

Don't look at the political platform. Look at the actual bills submitted. And even then, discern between the actual bills, and the "submitting this for effect" bills.

As such, I freely acknowledge that the "pie-in-the-sky" platform is unrealistic. But I recognize that such grandiose promises are successful when it comes to energizing voters - no matter how ridiculous they are*.


* "And Mexico will pay for it!"
You are wrong on one point. Most politicians exaggerate as you said. Always have. But you are wrong about AOC . And Warren ,for that matter. They are IDEALISTS. Which means they have no brains. Only "Heart" , whatever that is. One thing I have always noticed. All the "Heart and Empathy" in the world don't balance the ledger. AOC and Warren really ARE as stupid as they sound. Dems better stich with Biden and hope he remembers his lines.
 
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Yes he does.

Mostly due to Obama.

Thanks Obama!
Did you not understand this:

One important difference between Trump's debt figures and Obama's is that Trump has added a massive amount of debt while the US economy has been strong, whereas Obama took over during the depths of the financial crisis.
 
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Did you not understand this:

One important difference between Trump's debt figures and Obama's is that Trump has added a massive amount of debt while the US economy has been strong, whereas Obama took over during the depths of the financial crisis.
Yeah, I do understand that.

Trump is terrible on deficits and the debt.

Not nearly as bad as Obama, though.

Obama had an excuse early in his presidency.

But why were deficits rising in his last year in office?

That's right, Obamas deficits were going up after seven years in office.

Wha happened...?
 
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Yeah, I do understand that.

Trump is terrible on deficits and the debt.

Not nearly as bad as Obama, though.

Obama had an excuse early in his presidency.

But why were deficits rising in his last year in office?

That's right, Obamas deficits were going up after seven years in office.

Wha happened...?
Here's what happened:

Last year former House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) reached a deal with fellow congressional leaders and the White House to set spending levels through 2017 in order to ease budget and spending negotiations ahead of elections this November. That deal included $50 billion in spending increases divided equally between defense and domestic programs for 2016 and an additional $30 billion in spending for 2017.

 

Djinn

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The wall...the one nobody but Libbies care who pays for it.
Right - but do you conceded that Trump may not have been entirely truthful with that particular aspect of his platform? Do you honestly believe that Trump intended to somehow force a foreign government to spend billions of dollars on a border wall?

More to the point - if Trump had campaigned on the promise that the planned to levy a federal tax in order to fund a border wall, do you think he would have been elected?
 

Djinn

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You are wrong on one point. Most politicians exaggerate as you said. Always have. But you are wrong about AOC . And Warren ,for that matter. They are IDEALISTS. Which means they have no brains. Only "Heart" , whatever that is. One thing I have always noticed. All the "Heart and Empathy" in the world don't balance the ledger. AOC and Warren really ARE as stupid as they sound. Dems better stich with Biden and hope he remembers his lines.
Do you believe that Trump was being idealistic when he told you that a foreign government would foot the bill for the border wall, and it wouldn't cost U.S. citizens a dime?
 

CtC

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Do you believe that Trump was being idealistic when he told you that a foreign government would foot the bill for the border wall, and it wouldn't cost U.S. citizens a dime?
No. Just exaggerating.