KHASHOGGI, US CITIZEN, WAPO REPORTER WAS KILLED & DISMEMBERED by SAUDI HIT TEAM flown in that day! We HAD INTEL??

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What the U.S. knew and how it responded is a matter for investigation, but what's clear is that an unequivocal condemnation is needed now.

At a minimum, the U.S. must summon the Saudi ambassador to hear the statement and demands for accountability. If the Saudis refuse to conduct even a credible internal investigation that acknowledges that someone arranged for harm to come this man at their embassy, where they are responsible for security, then it's time to expel their diplomats and sanction their government. Ratchet up the pressure from there.

If the U.S. refuses to seek any of these remedies, then it is clearly in the thrall of corrupt interests as never before. Kushner's ties to MBS in particular must be given reinvigorated scrutiny.
 
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What the U.S. knew and how it responded is a matter for investigation, but what's clear is that an unequivocal condemnation is needed now.

At a minimum, the U.S. must summon the Saudi ambassador to hear the statement and demands for accountability. If the Saudis refuse to conduct even a credible internal investigation that acknowledges that someone arranged for harm to come this man at their embassy, where they are responsible for security, then it's time to expel their diplomats and sanction their government. Ratchet up the pressure from there.

If the U.S. refuses to seek any of these remedies, then it is clearly in the thrall of corrupt interests as never before. Kushner's ties to MBS in particular must be given reinvigorated scrutiny.
If 9/11 didnt make the US question Saudi Arabia, I dont see how this will. For whatever reason, Americans seem to look the other way whenever the Saudis are involved.
 

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For the record, Khashoggi had a green card, not citizenship.

Nonetheless, for the purpose of international relations, green card holders are considered "U.S. nationals" and the government is expected and required to respond to mortal violence against them by any direct act of a foreign power.

Trump just shrugging so far. It's sick.
 

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If 9/11 didnt make the US question Saudi Arabia, I dont see how this will. For whatever reason, Americans seem to look the other way whenever the Saudis are involved.
Completely different situation. Despite a history of money from Saudi Arabia supporting it, the House of Saud have always hated Al Qaeda. The whole reason Bin Laden was in Afghanistan in the first place is because of his opposition to the royal family in particular; he had to seek shelter in a place buffered by Iran and Pakistan, an enemy and a rival to Saudi Arabia, respectively.

This is completely new, a violent act against a free citizen living in the West directly ordered by the highest echelons of the Saudi government and quite possibly MBS himself. None of MBS' predecessors would have even contemplated doing something like this. He is either extraordinarily reckless and prepared to pay a high price indeed to stamp out opposition, or he has Kushner (and thus Trump) so deep in his pocket he knows he's got nothing to worry about.

We may be looking at a previously unthinkable act of international assassination against a man who is supposed to be under the protection of the U.S. and his own government, enabled by recklessness and raw corruption on all levels.
 
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What the U.S. knew and how it responded is a matter for investigation, but what's clear is that an unequivocal condemnation is needed now.

At a minimum, the U.S. must summon the Saudi ambassador to hear the statement and demands for accountability. If the Saudis refuse to conduct even a credible internal investigation that acknowledges that someone arranged for harm to come this man at their embassy, where they are responsible for security, then it's time to expel their diplomats and sanction their government. Ratchet up the pressure from there.

If the U.S. refuses to seek any of these remedies, then it is clearly in the thrall of corrupt interests as never before. Kushner's ties to MBS in particular must be given reinvigorated scrutiny.
I heard that CORKER has talked to the Turkish ambassador and 'demanded' INTEL but if Trump demands nothing, they won't supply a GD thing. And the SAUDIS will just call their new BFF or his son in law and tell them not to cooperate. No harm, no foul!

This is just bizarre. An American citizen was CHOPPED UP by a professional state sponsored assassins squad arriving in 2 planes who left with his body and the president knows nothing more than YOU and I do?

Who the F are they kidding?
 
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If 9/11 didnt make the US question Saudi Arabia, I dont see how this will. For whatever reason, Americans seem to look the other way whenever the Saudis are involved.
You think we would have learned. But remember, members of the Saudi royal family BAILED W's oil biz out too.

Gee, I wonder if OBAMA ever got any PERSONAL help from the Saudis. If not, he missed out!
 

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Completely different situation. Despite a history of money from Saudi Arabia supporting it, the House of Saud have always hated Al Qaeda. The whole reason Bin Laden was in Afghanistan in the first place is because of his opposition to the royal family in particular; he had to seek shelter in a place buffered by Iran and Pakistan, an enemy and a rival to Saudi Arabia, respectively.

This is completely new, a violent act against a free citizen living in the West directly ordered by the highest echelons of the Saudi government and quite possibly MBS himself. None of MBS' predecessors would have even contemplated doing something like this. He is either extraordinarily reckless and prepared to pay a high price indeed to stamp out opposition, or he has Kushner (and thus Trump) so deep in his pocket he knows he's got nothing to worry about.

We may be looking at a previously unthinkable act of international assassination against a man who is supposed to be under the protection of the U.S. and his own government, enabled by recklessness and raw corruption on all levels.
FWIW, a former media spokesman of Putin's who was gonna testify against Russian government was beaten to death with a fucking baseball bat right in his hotel room in Washington, DC: Putin ex-"media czar" beaten to death with bat...

So, yeah, not exactly "unthinkable"...
 
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I heard that CORKER has talked to the Turkish ambassador and 'demanded' INTEL but if Trump demands nothing, they won't supply a GD thing. And the SAUDIS will just call their new BFF or his son in law and tell them not to cooperate. No harm, no foul!

This is just bizarre. An American citizen was CHOPPED UP by a professional state sponsored assassins squad arriving in 2 planes who left with his body and the president knows nothing more than YOU and I do?

Who the F are they kidding?
He is not an American citizen, but don't let facts slow you down......you never do.
 
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You think we would have learned. But remember, members of the Saudi royal family BAILED W's oil biz out too.

Gee, I wonder if OBAMA ever got any PERSONAL help from the Saudis. If not, he missed out!
Got a link to this bailout?

The Saudis gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Crime Family Slush Fund Foundation.

Ironically, not a dime since she lost.

Hmmmmm......
 
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RNG

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One has to wonder if intel didnt say anything to Trump? There has been some hard feelings there so I wonder if they have been sitting on this waiting for confirmation or something? Its things like this where people start to mistrust the intel orgs, similar to what happened when they assured everyone there were WMDs in Iraq.
Given Trump's hate-on for Bezos, it makes a guy wonder.