Majority of Republicans say Trump is a better president than Lincoln

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that is such a simplistic and untrue version of history, in context of how it is today 60 years later and all those democrats you seem to dislike ARE NOW REPUBLICANS....because of the national democratic party supporting and pushing thru Civil Rights acts signed by a southern democratic president. get it? who cares what party anyone was in 150 years ago when now those two parties are not even close to what they were then? even 60 years ago, even most southern racist state democrats were against civil rights, and when it was forced on them by other democrats, they began leaving the party....here is something you need to try and remember for next time- not one republican from any southern racist state of the Confederacy voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964....not one....in the House or Senate....and the democrats were so totally in control of the south, there was only one republican Senator from any of the 11 original confederate states...and only 10 republican house members from the racist south!!! and not one voted for the law, but many democrats did, which means in the south- the democratic party was way less racist and bigoted than the few republicans who lived in these racist states!! It also means the democratic party pushed through Civil Rights KNOWING IT WOULD MEAN THE END OF THEIR CONTROL OF THE RACIST SOUTH....A BIG BIG POLITICAL LOSS.....BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAY, PUTTING DOING WHAT IS RIGHT OVER BEING A POLITICAL COWARD, like most repubs are today when it comes to admitting the truth about Trump.

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

•Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
•Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

•Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
•Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

•Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
•Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)

•Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
•Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
So if my parties past becomes ugly I can just say they were Democrats back then. I’ll remember that.

It is therefore curious, in a town where Republican indiscretions have no practical shelf life, that Byrd’s partisan allies and the Washington press corps repeatedly refused to delve into his activities as a long ago member of the Ku Klux Klan other than to acknowledge it as a “youthful indiscretion” and move on.

In its obituary, the Washington Post went into surprising detail as to just what those activities consisted of and how they might have shaped his career and early record as a legislator. For example:

As a young man, Mr. Byrd was an ‘exalted cyclops’ of the Ku Klux Klan. Although he apologized numerous times for what he considered a youthful indiscretion, his early votes in Congress--notably a filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act--reflected racially separatist views.

The point here is not that Byrd ended his life as a closeted racist--I never met the man--but that, because he was a Democrat, the people who make judgments about what is and what is not newsworthy chose to give him a pass, failing to subject him to a thorough discussion of his past each time he said or did something that might have alluded to it. This was obviously the case after he used the phrase “white niggers” in a television interview on the subject of race relations in the United States during the Bush presidency--at just about the same time Mississippi Republican Trent Lott was being driven from the Senate leadership in a never-ending barrage of criticism following an unfortunate but provocative comment he made at a birthday party for Sen. Strom Thurmond, the one-time Dixiecrat candidate for president of the United States. One can only imagine what the consequences would have been for Byrd’s career had he been a Republican with a similar record. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/06/30/byrds-kkk-history-shows-partisan-double-standard
 
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Sen. Byrd's life story, as much as it is a chronicling of his personal achievements, is no less the history of West Virginia itself....a loss for all West Virginians. For more than 50 years, he battled in the name of the U.S. Constitution against political friend and foe alike, always remaining true to his faith, friends, family, while working to build a better future for his state and his country. Never forgetting his humble beginnings among the coalfields and impoverishment of southern West Virginia, Sen. Byrd carried with him a tradition of common sense principles and love for his fellow man. We differed with Sen. Byrd on many principles but we never for a second questioned his integrity and his love for West Virginia.

--- West Virginia Republican Chairman Doug McKinney
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Feb 2011
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The formerly great golden state
Are you saying I should have put a comma between state and national park? If so your right. :)

True about building in brush areas of So Cal but I'm referring to environmental regulations on clearing along power lines that was severely limited and no logging allowed in over stocked and unhealthy forest with lots of ladder fuels as in the Paradise catastrophic fire.
The lack of clearing along power lines was a decision made by the power company. Clearing brush costs money, after all.
And that logging? You have a good point there. Logging nearly stopped in the national forests, run by the Department of Agriculture, not the State of California.

Before that, the forests were being logged improperly, leaving behind slash and brush and increasing the fire danger
Now, finally, responsible logging is taking place

But, that has nothing to do with California. One would think the president of the US would know what his Department of Agriculture is responsible for, but, with this president, we can't assume he knows anything at all.
 
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I'm impressed that Trump knows how to use a word like "excoriated."
He doesn't. That was written in on proof by "Skippy" - The 12 year old he hired to assist with his cell phone and vocabulary issues.
Sadly, Skippy doesn't proof his tweets. :cool:

 
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The lack of clearing along power lines was a decision made by the power company. Clearing brush costs money, after all.
And that logging? You have a good point there. Logging nearly stopped in the national forests, run by the Department of Agriculture, not the State of California.

Before that, the forests were being logged improperly, leaving behind slash and brush and increasing the fire danger
Now, finally, responsible logging is taking place

But, that has nothing to do with California. One would think the president of the US would know what his Department of Agriculture is responsible for, but, with this president, we can't assume he knows anything at all.
California stopped scheduled federal logging jobs with environmental law suits.

"By the end of last year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service and Cal-Fire reported an historic 129 million dead trees in California.

“The dead trees continue to pose a hazard to people and critical infrastructure, mostly centered in the central and southern Sierra Nevada region of the state,” a joint statement said in Dec. 2017.

The warning proved to be prophetic as an extraordinary amount of accumulated forest debris served to fuel the most intense, longest lasting and farthest spreading wildfires on record.

The still-ongoing Mendocino Fire Complex is a series of out of control fires that has burned more than 380,000 acres in 2018, becoming the largest fire complex in the state’s modern history.

Two years ago, a lawsuit filed by the Forest Preservation Society took aim at blocking logging companies from harvesting timber in areas of Mendocino County. It’s an example of the seemingly countless lawsuits filed by such groups in recent years.



Similar law suits and regulations stopped clearing along powerlines.

"A couple decades ago the rule was that PG&E cleared away any foliage from the power lines to the tune of ten feet on each side. However, at the insistence of the environmentalists, that amount of clearage was reduced to four feet.

Four feet is hardly enough. Indeed many plants and trees can easily grow that much in a single season. To gain more clearance PG&E needs environmental approval, which is nearly impossible without a court order. The environmental policies in California have created a fire danger."

 
Feb 2011
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The formerly great golden state
California stopped scheduled federal logging jobs with environmental law suits.

"By the end of last year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service and Cal-Fire reported an historic 129 million dead trees in California.

“The dead trees continue to pose a hazard to people and critical infrastructure, mostly centered in the central and southern Sierra Nevada region of the state,” a joint statement said in Dec. 2017.

The warning proved to be prophetic as an extraordinary amount of accumulated forest debris served to fuel the most intense, longest lasting and farthest spreading wildfires on record.

The still-ongoing Mendocino Fire Complex is a series of out of control fires that has burned more than 380,000 acres in 2018, becoming the largest fire complex in the state’s modern history.

Two years ago, a lawsuit filed by the Forest Preservation Society took aim at blocking logging companies from harvesting timber in areas of Mendocino County. It’s an example of the seemingly countless lawsuits filed by such groups in recent years.



Similar law suits and regulations stopped clearing along powerlines.

"A couple decades ago the rule was that PG&E cleared away any foliage from the power lines to the tune of ten feet on each side. However, at the insistence of the environmentalists, that amount of clearage was reduced to four feet.

Four feet is hardly enough. Indeed many plants and trees can easily grow that much in a single season. To gain more clearance PG&E needs environmental approval, which is nearly impossible without a court order. The environmental policies in California have created a fire danger."

First, as I said, the mismanagement of forests was done by the federal Department of Agriculture, not the State of California. A competent president would have known that.

Secondly, all those dead trees are a result of severe drought. There is no practical way of removing all of the dead trees in the Sierra.

and your opinion pieces really don't shed any light on the issue of wildfires, not any more than Trump's idea that we need to be "raking" the forests.

But, you do have a point: Blaming PG and E for the wildfires is not really justified.
 
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First, as I said, the mismanagement of forests was done by the federal Department of Agriculture, not the State of California. A competent president would have known that.

Secondly, all those dead trees are a result of severe drought. There is no practical way of removing all of the dead trees in the Sierra.

and your opinion pieces really don't shed any light on the issue of wildfires, not any more than Trump's idea that we need to be "raking" the forests.

But, you do have a point: Blaming PG and E for the wildfires is not really justified.
The department of agriculture slated thinning jobs that California environmentalist stopped with lawsuits. Why can't you grasp this?