Michael Flynn case

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Isn't this interesting....looks like trouble for the prosecutors in Flynn case


Good.But he should be pardoned. Can't understand the delay on that.
 
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If we use street level justice standards; I knew someone who, while in the wrong, ran from a situation. Someone takes chase, as they get close he donkey kicks one in the balls and soon gets caught by the cops partner.

They did not discover what he was running from so was charged only with assaulting the officer. He was acquitted because before that point, the police had not announced themselves as police and so he was justified in thinking it was a mugging in progress.

Seems crazy that he plead guilty in the first place.

I'd be interested in what kind of strategy this is, to plead guilty and delay and then like years later decide to start fighting? Was he trying to outlast Mueller from the start?

What happens legally when a person pleads guilty and the charges get dropped after the plea is entered?
 
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If we use street level justice standards; I knew someone who, while in the wrong, ran from a situation. Someone takes chase, as they get close he donkey kicks one in the balls and soon gets caught by the cops partner.

They did not discover what he was running from so was charged only with assaulting the officer. He was acquitted because before that point, the police had not announced themselves as police and so he was justified in thinking it was a mugging in progress.

Seems crazy that he plead guilty in the first place.

I'd be interested in what kind of strategy this is, to plead guilty and delay and then like years later decide to start fighting? Was he trying to outlast Mueller from the start?

What happens legally when a person pleads guilty and the charges get dropped after the plea is entered?
Aside from getting bankrupted?
 
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What difference does it make that the names of the note takers were mixed up? The two agents were the two agents that are the note takers. What difference does it make to the content of the actual notes. NOTHING. Flynn pleaded guilty and the judge is going to throw the book at Flynn because he has dragged this on far to long in the court to get a sentence.
 
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And then there is reality.
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The disclosure came as a new defense team led by a prominent critic of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s office, Sidney Powell, has mounted an extraordinarily broad attack on Mueller’s team and the FBI, accusing them of altering key evidence in the case and essentially tricking Flynn into the guilty plea he offered in December 2017 and reaffirmed a year later.

In a court filing Friday that included the notes and other records, prosecutors roundly rejected the defense’s new tack.

“The defendant’s protestations of innocence and being misled into a guilty plea are demonstrably false,” wrote prosecutor Brandon Van Grack, who handled Flynn’s case for Mueller and is now the lead prosecutor on it for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Washington.

Van Grack also dismissed Flynn’s lawyers’ claims that the FBI agents changed the report on the interview in any significant way as it went through several drafts.

“Both interviewing agents’ notes are clear that the defendant maintained he had ‘[n]o recollection’ of speaking with the Russian Ambassador about U.S. Sanctions, and that the defendant did not have a ‘long drawn out’ conversation with the Russian Ambassador about ‘don’t do something,’” the prosecutor wrote. ....

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What difference does it make that the names of the note takers were mixed up? The two agents were the two agents that are the note takers. What difference does it make to the content of the actual notes. NOTHING. Flynn pleaded guilty and the judge is going to throw the book at Flynn because he has dragged this on far to long in the court to get a sentence.
It matters enormously, because these are the two FBI agents to whom Flynn is charged with lying.

“Their entire case depends upon what these two agents said."

(Article linked in the Op.)

Flynn pled guilty in 2017 to one count of lying to the FBI. He has not yet been sentenced, and it appears his lawyers are attempting to void his plea. If successful, Flynn could still be brought to trial.

But Flynn's prosecutors are DOJ lawyers who report to AG Barr, so it's also possible the government might decline to prosecute in that event.

The lie Flynn, former Trump National Security Advisor, admitted to is that he did not meet with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in 2016 to discuss Trump lifting sanctions Obama had imposed on Russia for its "invasion" of the Crimea and the Ukraine.

Flynn absolutely did meet with Kislyak. The substance of their conversation absolutely was lifting sanctions. These facts are incontrovertible and by themselves may create potential criminal liability for Flynn.

"A Republican close to the White House indicated that Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, was one of the transition officials named in the Flynn plea documents and that K.T. McFarland — who would go on to become deputy national security adviser and is now the president's nominee for ambassador to Singapore — was the other."

However, the lesser included charge of lying was the one Flynn pled to and presumably, his full cooperation against others (including Trump) was supposed to have been thusly secured.


Flynn told this exact lie to a WashPo reporter, then-Chief of Staff Preibus, then--Press Secretary Sean Spicer, other Trump staffers, the public and the VP.


Then he told it to two FBI agents.


Call the Post, Flynn said. Tell them there were no sanctions discussions. Even though she knew better, the aide, K.T. McFarland, did as she was told.

It was the first lie about Flynn’s Russia contacts. It wouldn’t be the last.

Over the next few days, Flynn repeated the lie to Priebus and others in the White House. No sanctions discussions with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, he told Mike Pence, the vice president-elect. He said the same to press secretary Sean Spicer. And they parroted that to the public.

“They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia,” Pence said during a Jan. 15 appearance on CBS “Face the Nation.
The denials set off alarm bells at the Justice Department.

Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, an Obama holdover, and other senior officials knew the comments weren’t true. U.S. intelligence agencies, which routinely monitor the communications of foreign diplomats, had learned of Flynn’s discussions with Kislyak when analyzing the Kremlin’s response to the sanctions. The FBI had also opened an investigation into Flynn’s relationship with Russia.

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The Justice Department’s concerns only increased when, after Trump’s inauguration and Flynn’s appointment as the nation’s top national security aide, Spicer gave his first press briefing. He had spoken with Flynn the night before, he told reporters.
The Kislyak calls weren’t about sanctions, he said. Next question.

Two FBI agents walked into the White House the next day. It was Jan. 24, 2017, and they were there to talk to Flynn.

One of them was Peter Strzok, a senior counterintelligence official who would later face scrutiny for his anti-Trump comments. Flynn agreed to talk with them, and when asked, denied that he told Kislyak to back off from escalating situation in response to the sanctions.

He also lied about a follow-up phone call and another matter: On Dec. 21, 2016, when Egypt pushed a resolution at the United Nations critical of Israeli settlements in Palestinian areas, Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner turned to Flynn to push for the Kremlin to oppose the move. Flynn had unsuccessfully pressured Kislyak on the issue. But he told the agents otherwise."

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It matters enormously, because these are the two FBI agents to whom Flynn is charged with lying.

“Their entire case depends upon what these two agents said."

(Article linked in the Op.)

Flynn pled guilty in 2018 to one count of lying to the FBI. He has not yet been sentenced, and it appears his lawyers are attempting to void his plea. If successful, Flynn could still be brought to trial.

But Flynn's prosecutors are DOJ lawyers who report to AG Barr, so it's also possible the government might decline to prosecute in that event.

The lie Flynn, former Trump National Security Advisor, admitted to is that he did not meet with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in 2016 to discuss Trump lifting sanctions Obama had imposed on Russia for its "invasion" of the Crimea and the Ukraine.

Flynn absolutely did meet with Kislyak. The substance of their conversation absolutely was lifting sanctions. These facts are incontrovertible and by themselves may create potential criminal liability for Flynn.

"A Republican close to the White House indicated that Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, was one of the transition officials named in the Flynn plea documents and that K.T. McFarland — who would go on to become deputy national security adviser and is now the president's nominee for ambassador to Singapore — was the other."

However, the lesser included charge of lying was the one Flynn pled to and presumably, his full cooperation against others (including Trump) was supposed to have been thusly secured.


Flynn told this exact lie to a WashPo reporter, then-Chief of Staff Preibus, then--Press Secretary Sean Spicer, other Trump staffers, the public and the VP.


Then he told it to two FBI agents.
See reply #8.
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