Mixing Politics and Religion and a change of heart from severe religiosity

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A program that is very apt for today and considering how some are similar to how this man , Robert Schenck once felt and acted, before he came to a change of heart, after 25 years, perhaps seeing what so many Christians already saw, while so many others still seem blind to.

'Once Militantly Anti-Abortion, Evangelical Minister Now Lives 'With Regret'
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/6280...on-evangelical-minister-now-lives-with-regret


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Interesting that no one has commented on this, most especially the "Christians" that voted for Donald Trump based on the positions Rob Schenck was so obsessive about for 25 years, before it appears he actually went back and read the Bible and seemed to finally "get" what the main theme of Christ's teachings were all about.

The mix of politics and religion has always seemed bloody and terrible for humanity, even if a small few profit immensely from abusing and exploiting the religious beliefs of many to forward their personal agendas and empowerment.

Jim Jones should have been a lesson for the world if not only a large portion of it.
 
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A program that is very apt for today and considering how some are similar to how this man , Robert Schenck once felt and acted, before he came to a change of heart, after 25 years, perhaps seeing what so many Christians already saw, while so many others still seem blind to.

'Once Militantly Anti-Abortion, Evangelical Minister Now Lives 'With Regret'
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/6280...on-evangelical-minister-now-lives-with-regret


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In the future, historians looking back at the last 40 years of politics in the US will find the role of abortion to be particularly puzzling. It was a driving factor in major political events, based in large part on extremist Christians, and those who profited on them, treating opposition to abortion as a central tenet of their faith. Yet there's no scriptural basis for that at all. And, meanwhile, all kinds of clear rules in scripture are dispensed with entirely by the same people. Somehow the conservatives managed to get a faction of Christians not only to adopt this new dogma, but to to make it a fundamentalist principle for them, even in an era when so many other rules they previously cared about faded from consideration. How often, for example, have you seen Christian extremists basing their votes on whether politicians support laws that punish people for doing secular things on the Sabbath, for example? Such laws used to be a big deal to fundamentalist Christians, who had millenia of tradition and plenty of scriptural backing for insisting that people not do profane things like yard work or running a business on the Sabbath. But scriptural rules came to matter less and less, while opposition to abortion became a new commandment.
 
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In the future, historians looking back at the last 40 years of politics in the US will find the role of abortion to be particularly puzzling. It was a driving factor in major political events, based in large part on extremist Christians, and those who profited on them, treating opposition to abortion as a central tenet of their faith. Yet there's no scriptural basis for that at all. And, meanwhile, all kinds of clear rules in scripture are dispensed with entirely by the same people. Somehow the conservatives managed to get a faction of Christians not only to adopt this new dogma, but to to make it a fundamentalist principle for them, even in an era when so many other rules they previously cared about faded from consideration. How often, for example, have you seen Christian extremists basing their votes on whether politicians support laws that punish people for doing secular things on the Sabbath, for example? Such laws used to be a big deal to fundamentalist Christians, who had millenia of tradition and plenty of scriptural backing for insisting that people not do profane things like yard work or running a business on the Sabbath. But scriptural rules came to matter less and less, while opposition to abortion became a new commandment.
yeah. all movements use any kind of scapegoat available to advance their ideology.
 
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yeah. all movements use any kind of scapegoat available to advance their ideology.

What is particularly hypocritical about the GOP's promotion of banning abortion is that they don't really want to ban abortion, for if they succeeded in doing so, they could no longer use the issue to agitate their base in upcoming elections.
 
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In the future, historians looking back at the last 40 years of politics in the US will find the role of abortion to be particularly puzzling. It was a driving factor in major political events, based in large part on extremist Christians, and those who profited on them, treating opposition to abortion as a central tenet of their faith. Yet there's no scriptural basis for that at all. And, meanwhile, all kinds of clear rules in scripture are dispensed with entirely by the same people. Somehow the conservatives managed to get a faction of Christians not only to adopt this new dogma, but to to make it a fundamentalist principle for them, even in an era when so many other rules they previously cared about faded from consideration. How often, for example, have you seen Christian extremists basing their votes on whether politicians support laws that punish people for doing secular things on the Sabbath, for example? Such laws used to be a big deal to fundamentalist Christians, who had millenia of tradition and plenty of scriptural backing for insisting that people not do profane things like yard work or running a business on the Sabbath. But scriptural rules came to matter less and less, while opposition to abortion became a new commandment.
Oh great. More Bible-splaining from the left.
 

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There's a reason that abortion is such a contentious issue in the US. Other countries have abortion. But it's not nearly as heated an issue. That's because in the US, it was decided by judicial fiat. Other countries worked it out legislatively. Whether a side won or lost, they knew they had their chance in resolving the issue in the give and take of legislation.
 
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There's a reason that abortion is such a contentious issue in the US. Other countries have abortion. But it's not nearly as heated an issue. That's because in the US, it was decided by judicial fiat. Other countries worked it out legislatively. Whether a side won or lost, they knew they had their chance in resolving the issue in the give and take of legislation.
Child rape is fine,abortion,no!

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