More Proof of Russian Interference

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It turns out we got a lot of info from the Dutch. So how many foreign intelligence agencies is that now? Are right wingers gonna come and tell me the Dutch are spreading fake news about it just like they accuse the American news media?

Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. That's what de Volkskrant and Nieuwsuur have uncovered in their investigation.

It's the summer of 2014. A hacker from the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD has penetrated the computer network of a university building next to the Red Square in Moscow, oblivious to the implications. One year later, from the AIVD headquarters in Zoetermeer, he and his colleagues witness Russian hackers launching an attack on the Democratic Party in the United States. The AIVD hackers had not infiltrated just any building; they were in the computer network of the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. And unbeknownst to the Russians, they could see everything.

That's how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won't be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

The Dutch access provides crucial evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democratic Party, according to six American and Dutch sources who are familiar with the material, but wish to remain anonymous. It's also grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of the Russian interference on the election race between the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and the Republican candidate Donald Trump.



It's unknown what exact information the hackers acquire about the Russians, but it is clear that it contains a clue as to the whereabouts of one of the most well-known hacker groups in the world: Cozy Bear, also referred to as APT29. Since 2010, this group has attacked governments, energy corporations and telecom companies around the world, including Dutch companies and ministries. Specialists from the best intelligence services, among them the British, the Israelis and the Americans, have been hunting Cozy Bear for years, as have analysts from major cybersecurity companies.
We owe the Dutch a debt of gratitude.

The Dutch access to the Russian hackers' network soon pays off. In November, the Russians prepare for an attack on one of their prime targets: the American State Department. By now, they've obtained e-mail addresses and the login credentials of several civil servants. They manage to enter the non-classified part of the computer network.

The AIVD and her military counterpart MIVD inform the NSA-liaison at the American embassy in The Hague. He immediately alerts the different American intelligence services.

What follows is a rare battle between the attackers, who are attempting to further infiltrate the State Department, and its defenders, FBI and NSA teams - with clues and intelligence provided by the Dutch. This battle lasts 24 hours, according to American media.

The Russians are extremely aggressive but do not know they're being spied on. Thanks to the Dutch spies, the NSA and FBI are able to counter the enemy with enormous speed. The Dutch intel is so crucial that the NSA opens a direct line with Zoetermeer, to get the information to the United States as soon as possible.
But we also owe the career people at the FBI and NSA a debt of gratitude who Trump and the Republicans and the right wing news media have been disparaging in an attempt to immunize Trump against any illegalities found in relation to Trump and his campaign.

This is an interesting article that I recommend.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/
 
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It turns out we got a lot of info from the Dutch. So how many foreign intelligence agencies is that now? Are right wingers gonna come and tell me the Dutch are spreading fake news about it just like they accuse the American news media?





We owe the Dutch a debt of gratitude.



But we also owe the career people at the FBI and NSA a debt of gratitude who Trump and the Republicans and the right wing news media have been disparaging in an attempt to immunize Trump against any illegalities found in relation to Trump and his campaign.

This is an interesting article that I recommend.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/
It's good to have allies :)

Anyhoo USA's election interference is much more effective than Putin's ...EU/NATO's election interference had former BFFs Ukraine and Russia going to war with each other.
 
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The Dutch are corroborating what US intelligence already knows.

The Dutch know more than Donald Trump, who has not called one meeting ....one hearing....one summit on Russian interference or how to counter any new or future attempt.
 
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The Dutch are corroborating what US intelligence already knows.

The Dutch know more than Donald Trump, who has not called one meeting ....one hearing....one summit on Russian interference or how to counter any new or future attempt.


yeah it is a bit strange that potushit still refuses to acknowledge that a foreign government was interfering in our election.
 
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So you want to thank the dutch for hacking computers of a foreign government.....isn't that what you are upset at Russia for doing?
 
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yeah it is a bit strange that potushit still refuses to acknowledge that a foreign government was interfering in our election.
How did they interfere again?

Oh yes, they released some short ads, in a sea of political ads by the candidates themselves, but for some reason only the russian ads, which nobody knew were russian, had any effect.

None of hillary's ads mattered, only Russias.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
 
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yeah it is a bit strange that potushit still refuses to acknowledge that a foreign government was interfering in our election.
Not strange at all IMHO. He considers the allegations of Russian meddling as a personal attack on him that automatically implicates him in collusion. He can't separate the two.
 
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How did they interfere again?

Oh yes, they released some short ads, in a sea of political ads by the candidates themselves, but for some reason only the russian ads, which nobody knew were russian, had any effect.

None of hillary's ads mattered, only Russias.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Excellent! you are making progress.. atleast now you acknowledge that there was Russian interference during the US election. Now you just have to determine the extent of it.
 
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Not strange at all IMHO. He considers the allegations of Russian meddling as a personal attack on him that automatically implicates him in collusion. He can't separate the two.
Yeah but potushit needs to put his personal feelings aside for the good of the nation. Currently he's too emotionally unstable and insecure to do that.
 
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