Mr. Spock: conservative or liberal?

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I agree.

However due to replicators this (Star Trek) society is cashless.

IMO everyone would be more liberal if humans didn't have to fight over resources to survive.

Which was a precursor to distant space travel.

Cool thread.
All excellent points but that applies to human society in the Star Trek universe, not the Vulcans.

I do agree that the only way Socialism can work is with unlimited energy/resources and the freedom to leave the area/planet.

This Joe Rogan interview with Naval Ravikant is excellent. It covers a lot of topics including this one. Ravikant states that the purpose of technology is to free people from needing to work for food, living space, etc so that they can be free to create and contribute to the culture. He points out, among other examples, that Rogan's "job" as a podcaster is the result of technological developments that didn't exist 20 years ago.

 
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I say liberal. People sometimes mistake liberal interests as purely altruistic. But I think there's a lot more enlightened self-interest in helping the less fortunate through entitlements. Logical on so many levels.
Mr. Davocrat,

Non-political. In fact, I don't see any political leanings in the old Star Trek series. I mean, if one is sanctimoniously self-righteous, I guess one would, but rational people wouldn't even consider their political leanings, but rather, just enjoy the show.
 
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I say liberal. People sometimes mistake liberal interests as purely altruistic. But I think there's a lot more enlightened self-interest in helping the less fortunate through entitlements. Logical on so many levels.
Being "Altruistic" with other peoples money would defy all logic. Spock would reject it as illogical.
 

TNVolunteer73

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Logic and facts have always had a liberal bias....

Really,

Logic says Cut Tax Rates revenues decrease.. FACT Cut taxes revenue increases (Harding, Truman, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush 43, and Trump) have proven this.

Gun Control prevents Homicides.

Fact. Stricker the Gun control, higher the murder rate. False the lowest homicide rate was when everyone carried a gun.. 2nd lowest is after the end of the Clilnton assault weapons ban and 47 States licensed 16,000,000 people to carry guns on their person in public.




Logic Says Ban Assault weapons murders will decrease...

when only 400 people are murdered by ALL TYPES of rifles.... (so the ban at best would save only 400 lives) where banning Knives would save 1500
 

Ian Jeffrey

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Being "Altruistic" with other peoples money would defy all logic. Spock would reject it as illogical.
Quite to the contrary, the accumulation of material wealth would be considered illogical.
 

raj

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I always felt that McCoy was the show's conservative consciousness.

And since he and Spock were constantly at odds, that means Spock had to be a liberal.