Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits. Collusion by another name?

kmiller1610

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Trump was pursuing business interests he had been pursuing for 30 years in Russia.

He continued to do so while running for President.

As the New York Times pointed out, any entrepreneur operating in Russia would not even know when he was speaking to an intelligence agent of the Russian government.

Selling to a Communist nation, therefore would require multiple levels of contact, trading favors, acting interested in anything the contact might be interested in and this is the most likely reason for both the contacts and the trading of mutual interests.

Banter of all kinds would be expected. Imagine yourself hedging your bets along with your boss (that he would lose the election) and trying to plant the seeds that would lead to a Trump tower in Moscow.

Vlad: Well comrade, how is the election going? Got any inside tracks on polling information?

A salesperson with any ambition whatsoever would try to please the contact to try and grease the skids.
 

kmiller1610

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Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Here's a NY Times piece pre-Mueller that loads up the discussion of contacts with suspicion then FINALLY mentions the potentially exculpatory fact that some of the officials who worked with Trump had business interests in Russia. To me, this should have been mentioned in every piece on contacts and that fact should have been mentioned early in the article. This article is technically a good piece of journalism since it quotes both sides and includes the points of view of both the government and those being investigated. Note the bolded bit at the end of the last quote.

Opening of article

Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.
American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.
Near end of article

Several of Mr. Trump’s associates, like Mr. Manafort, have done business in Russia. And it is not unusual for American businessmen to come in contact with foreign intelligence officials, sometimes unwittingly, in countries like Russia and Ukraine, where the spy services are deeply embedded in society. Law enforcement officials did not say to what extent the contacts might have been about business.
 
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Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits. Collusion by another name?
Analysis: Mueller didn't find a conspiracy he could prove, but did show that the Russians and the Trump team pursued a relationship during the election and after.
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Indeed, benefits among friends, well how convenient! Some may even call it COLLUSION. The Mueller report is most interesting! Those who have not yet read it may not be aware of this information amid all of the redacting that has been done which is most unfortunate. But it doesn't exonerate Trump either. We would obviously learn a lot more as we should without all the obfuscation.
Sounds like DESPERATION by another name.

Admit the rampant baldfaced lying of the left on the "stolen election" balderdash and then we can discuss nuances of this international amity.
 

Babba

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Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Here's a NY Times piece pre-Mueller that loads up the discussion of contacts with suspicion then FINALLY mentions the potentially exculpatory fact that some of the officials who worked with Trump had business interests in Russia. To me, this should have been mentioned in every piece on contacts and that fact should have been mentioned early in the article. This article is technically a good piece of journalism since it quotes both sides and includes the points of view of both the government and those being investigated. Note the bolded bit at the end of the last quote.

Opening of article





Near end of article
Yeah, well because of those contacts and attempts at business deals, you're right, he probably did all kinds of things he wouldn't want anyone to know about. Which explains his response to hearing that a special counsel was going to investigate him and his campaign. “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked.” As I said all along, Trump has plausible deniability on the conspiracy part but he was probably thinking about things like paying off a porn star during the election to keep it from the public, he's worried about his tax returns, he's worried that all his shady dealings will become public, he's worried about his mob ties, etc. when he said that. It's all the underlying crimes Trump is worried about. You can try to excuse the fact that Donald Trump is a crook by insisting that it's all okay because he's a businessman from NYC doesn't cut it. He is unfit for the office he holds and must be held accountable. Just letting this all go is setting a horrible precedent. And he did try to obstruct justice. Maybe you're okay with such a scumwag occupying the WH but I'm not.
 
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Yeah, well because of those contacts and attempts at business deals, you're right, he probably did all kinds of things he wouldn't want anyone to know about. Which explains his response to hearing that a special counsel was going to investigate him and his campaign. “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked.” As I said all along, Trump has plausible deniability on the conspiracy part but he was probably thinking about things like paying off a porn star during the election to keep it from the public, he's worried about his tax returns, he's worried that all his shady dealings will become public, he's worried about his mob ties, etc. when he said that. It's all the underlying crimes Trump is worried about. You can try to excuse the fact that Donald Trump is a crook by insisting that it's all okay because he's a businessman from NYC doesn't cut it. He is unfit for the office he holds and must be held accountable. Just letting this all go is setting a horrible precedent. And he did try to obstruct justice. Maybe you're okay with such a scumwag occupying the WH but I'm not.
I think the bottom line for many who may not have known about Trump other than his reality tv status, is that he has been this way for decades. There were books written about his dealings in the casino industry that people have said for years was extremely illegal. Yet it was known and it appears any sort of enforcement looked the other way. His mob dealings were also widely known and again enforcement looked the other way. I just heard this morning that Trump knew Kislyak(?) for over a decade. He had spoken to him years ago before running. So its coming out he knew a lot more in Russia than most thought, But again it wasnt concealed, he did it openly. So now we have to hold him accountable because he is president even though enforcement likely knew all this decades ago. Its going to make it incredibly tricky. Thats why I have always thought business should be held to certain standards as well. For this very reason.
 
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