Mueller report shows Russians, Trump camp were friends with benefits. Collusion by another name?

Babba

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If we let this all go and let Trump skate for this it truly is the end of the great experiment. It means we are not a nation of laws and if the president does it it is not illegal. We've gone down the rabbit hole. And I know that it's quite possible that the Democrats could have great losses in the next election if they pursue it, but that's not the point. I'm willing to take those losses in order to save the republic. But it appears the Democrats are no better than the Republicans and winning elections is all that matters. It's a very sad day.
 
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If we let this all go and let Trump skate for this it truly is the end of the great experiment. It means we are not a nation of laws and if the president does it it is not illegal. We've gone down the rabbit hole. And I know that it's quite possible that the Democrats could have great losses in the next election if they pursue it, but that's not the point. I'm willing to take those losses in order to save the republic. But it appears the Democrats are no better than the Republicans and winning elections is all that matters. It's a very sad day.
Before you throw this "Great Experiment" away .....

To us being a nation that isn't obeying it's laws ....

Perhaps first you could list the evidence in which laws were actually broken.

Parroting fake news that laws were broken without any evidence that said actual laws were broken is petty and meaningless.
 

Babba

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Before you throw this "Great Experiment" away .....

To us being a nation that isn't obeying it's laws ....

Perhaps first you could list the evidence in which laws were actually broken.

Parroting fake news that laws were broken without any evidence that said actual laws were broken is petty and meaningless.
Trump attempted to obstruct justice 10 times and the only reason it didn't happen is because the people he tried to order to do it refused to do it. That doesn't make them heroes. They should have resigned and told the public why they resigned. Instead they have enabled a criminal to occupy the WH. But they got their judges. I guess that's most important thing to them.
 
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If we let this all go and let Trump skate for this it truly is the end of the great experiment. It means we are not a nation of laws and if the president does it it is not illegal. We've gone down the rabbit hole. And I know that it's quite possible that the Democrats could have great losses in the next election if they pursue it, but that's not the point. I'm willing to take those losses in order to save the republic. But it appears the Democrats are no better than the Republicans and winning elections is all that matters. It's a very sad day.
Its a result of extreme tribalism. Winning above all else. The GOP wont take on anything Trump does for fear they will lose. The dems cant decide which way to go for fear they will lose in 2020. Such a mess. Then we wonder come election time why people vote third party or stay home.
 
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Trump attempted to obstruct justice 10 times and the only reason it didn't happen is because the people he tried to order to do it refused to do it. That doesn't make them heroes. They should have resigned and told the public why they resigned. Instead they have enabled a criminal to occupy the WH. But they got their judges. I guess that's most important thing to them.
All about the winning.
 

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Yeah, well because of those contacts and attempts at business deals, you're right, he probably did all kinds of things he wouldn't want anyone to know about. Which explains his response to hearing that a special counsel was going to investigate him and his campaign. “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked.” As I said all along, Trump has plausible deniability on the conspiracy part but he was probably thinking about things like paying off a porn star during the election to keep it from the public, he's worried about his tax returns, he's worried that all his shady dealings will become public, he's worried about his mob ties, etc. when he said that. It's all the underlying crimes Trump is worried about. You can try to excuse the fact that Donald Trump is a crook by insisting that it's all okay because he's a businessman from NYC doesn't cut it. He is unfit for the office he holds and must be held accountable. Just letting this all go is setting a horrible precedent. And he did try to obstruct justice. Maybe you're okay with such a scumwag occupying the WH but I'm not.
Please show me even one time where I am excusing Trump for being a bad businessman. And how about some credit for me calling this 3 years ago or Romney calling it 3 years ago. The problem you have is that the electorate knew all this before the nomination process was even half done (Romney's speech in March of 2016). And they didn't care. Now to me, once the electorate chooses someone, you don't act in a seditious manner and try to unseat him, which is why I suggested that the reasons for Mueller were based on a false narrative. And with both the IG and the AG producing analyses of that possibility, that of the government trying to undermine an incoming President, there is more left to be told about that story than there is value in trying to impeach Trump, which is unlikely to happen (though I wish the House would try).

And if you want to unseat Trump, there is this thing called an election in about a year and a half. Surprise, even the redacted Mueller report gave plenty of ammunition.

BTW do you have a source for this thing you quoted?

“Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked"
Here it is in context. Read the rest of the paragraph below. He was concerned with a special prosecutor making it impossible for him to do his job.

I realize this is not Obama saying "you didn't build that" which, as I was reminded, needed to be read in context. I guess when we are dealing with a white supremacist (speaking of false narratives) context does not matter

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/comments/ben89s
 
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Trump attempted to obstruct justice 10 times and the only reason it didn't happen is because the people he tried to order to do it refused to do it. That doesn't make them heroes. They should have resigned and told the public why they resigned. Instead they have enabled a criminal to occupy the WH. But they got their judges. I guess that's most important thing to them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah .....

We have all heard what the fake news MSM has told you guys to parrot ...

I get it.

But, what I am asking is about real world evidence of a crime being committed.

Not Alt Left Universe crazio propaganda BS ....

But, actual evidence that would hold up in a Court of Law ....
 
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Please show me even one time where I am excusing Trump for being a bad businessman. And how about some credit for me calling this 3 years ago or Romney calling it 3 years ago. The problem you have is that the electorate knew all this before the nomination process was even half done (Romney's speech in March of 2016). And they didn't care. Now to me, once the electorate chooses someone, you don't act in a seditious manner and try to unseat him, which is why I called the reasons for Mueller were based on a false narrative. And with both the IG and the AG producing analyses of that possibility of the government trying to undermine an incoming President, there is more left to be told about that story than trying to impeach Trump, which is unlikely to happen though I wish the House would try.

And if you want to unseat Trump, there is this thing called an election in about a year and a half. Surprise, even the redacted Mueller report gave plenty of ammunition.

BTW do you have a source for this thing you quoted?
I have been following Meghan McCain on this. She is as most know a NeverTrumper. She was saying all this in early of 2016. She kept saying Trump was corrupt and shouldnt be anywhere near the presidency. But some relished the thought of running against him because he would be "Easy to beat." She also kept saying how Romney and her dad were so vilified as being "corrupt, misogynists and racists." She said it would end up like crying wolf, voters no longer would care if everybody got that treatment. She was right, when Trump came around, voters shrugged. Heard it all before. But damn that Romney and his binders, what an evil misogynist. Meghan is really peeved over it all.
 

Babba

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Please show me even one time where I am excusing Trump for being a bad businessman. And how about some credit for me calling this 3 years ago or Romney calling it 3 years ago. The problem you have is that the electorate knew all this before the nomination process was even half done (Romney's speech in March of 2016). And they didn't care. Now to me, once the electorate chooses someone, you don't act in a seditious manner and try to unseat him, which is why I called the reasons for Mueller were based on a false narrative. And with both the IG and the AG producing analyses of that possibility of the government trying to undermine an incoming President, there is more left to be told about that story than trying to impeach Trump, which is unlikely to happen though I wish the House would try.

And if you want to unseat Trump, there is this thing called an election in about a year and a half. Surprise, even the redacted Mueller report gave plenty of ammunition.

BTW do you have a source for this thing you quoted?



Here it is in context. Read the rest of the paragraph below. He was concerned with a special prosecutor making it impossible for him to do his job.

I realize this is not Obama saying "you didn't build that" which, as I was reminded, needed to be read in context. I guess when we are dealing with a white supremacist (speaking of false narratives) context does not matter

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/comments/ben89s
How in the hell does pursuing the fact that Trump attempted to obstruct justice equal sedition?
 
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I have been following Meghan McCain on this. She is as most know a NeverTrumper. She was saying all this in early of 2016. She kept saying Trump was corrupt and shouldnt be anywhere near the presidency. But some relished the thought of running against him because he would be "Easy to beat." She also kept saying how Romney and her dad were so vilified as being "corrupt, misogynists and racists." She said it would end up like crying wolf, voters no longer would care if everybody got that treatment. She was right, when Trump came around, voters shrugged. Heard it all before. But damn that Romney and his binders, what an evil misogynist. Meghan is really peeved over it all.
Meghan McCain is crazy.

Why does anyone give a hoot what she or any of theose other crazy women on the View think?