Need to Impeach: Should trump be impeached if he declares a national emergency to build his wall?

should trump be impeached if he declares a national emergency

  • yes

    Votes: 9 36.0%
  • no

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • wait until the Mueller report to decide

    Votes: 11 44.0%
  • undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • other

    Votes: 3 12.0%

  • Total voters
    25

the watchman

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there is no national emergency. Trump has betrayed his own claims that there is by saying he'd wait to see what Congress does on the wall before declaring one. That's an admission that there really isn't one , even if he doesn't come right out and say so. It's also indicated by his lack of urgency over the last two years. As well as being willing to sign a CR prior to being called out by conservative commentators.

If any other president were to declare a national emergency under these conditions we'd be talking about impeachment. Yet, Democrats seem to be afraid to say the word. The media has even cynically started referring to impeachment as the "I word". Ridiculous. Trump has neutralized the media. He's neutralized our Congress as a co-equal branch of the government.

Here's a list from the "Need to Impeach" website of impeachable offenses before Trump began considering declaring a fake national emergency.

Impeachable Offenses - Need to Impeach

What say you?
 

the watchman

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There you go.... "it aint happening, it ain't happening"... "oh it's happeneing" IMPEACHMENT!!!
oh, there's a high likelihood that it is going to happen. Whether the Senate will convict is another story. You'll notice that there aren't any Republican's supporting Trump on declaring a national emergency.
BTW.

Did you even read the posted article in the OP?
 
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#4
there is no national emergency. Trump has betrayed his own claims that there is by saying he'd wait to see what Congress does on the wall before declaring one. That's an admission that there really isn't one , even if he doesn't come right out and say so. It's also indicated by his lack of urgency over the last two years. As well as being willing to sign a CR prior to being called out by conservative commentators.

If any other president were to declare a national emergency under these conditions we'd be talking about impeachment. Yet, Democrats seem to be afraid to say the word. The media has even cynically started referring to impeachment as the "I word". Ridiculous. Trump has neutralized the media. He's neutralized our Congress as a co-equal branch of the government.

Here's a list from the "Need to Impeach" website of impeachable offenses before Trump began considering declaring a fake national emergency.

Impeachable Offenses - Need to Impeach

What say you?
If the democrats decide to allow funding for the wall....THAT WOULD BE A RESPONSE TO AN EMERGENCY!....Either Democrats accept the emergency as real...or Our President who has already accepted the truth of this emergency, ... will respond. ......"wait to see what Congress does on the wall before declaring one. That's an admission that there really isn't one..." ????.. It does not take a whole lot of brain power to see how shallow The Watchman's thoughts are on this. WD 40 is needed here...his wingnut is on a little to tight.
 
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#5
there is no national emergency. Trump has betrayed his own claims that there is by saying he'd wait to see what Congress does on the wall before declaring one. That's an admission that there really isn't one , even if he doesn't come right out and say so. It's also indicated by his lack of urgency over the last two years. As well as being willing to sign a CR prior to being called out by conservative commentators.

If any other president were to declare a national emergency under these conditions we'd be talking about impeachment. Yet, Democrats seem to be afraid to say the word. The media has even cynically started referring to impeachment as the "I word". Ridiculous. Trump has neutralized the media. He's neutralized our Congress as a co-equal branch of the government.

Here's a list from the "Need to Impeach" website of impeachable offenses before Trump began considering declaring a fake national emergency.

Impeachable Offenses - Need to Impeach

What say you?
The Watchman,

Wouldn't the President have had to do something impeachable first?
 

the watchman

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If the democrats decide to allow funding for the wall....THAT WOULD BE A RESPONSE TO AN EMERGENCY!....Either Democrats accept the emergency as real...or Our President who has already accepted the truth of this emergency, ... will respond. ......"wait to see what Congress does on the wall before declaring one. That's an admission that there really isn't one..." ????.. It does not take a whole lot of brain power to see how shallow The Watchman's thoughts are on this. WD 40 is needed here...his wingnut is on a little to tight.
nonsense. Trump said that the shutdown could last months or years. That's not an emergency. Congress isn't treating it like an emergency. If they were they wouldn't have gone on vacation during the first days of the shutdown. In fact, it's completely and utterly absurd that the response to an emergency is to build a wall. Imagine that. It's like saying that when you call 911 the police respond by saying "we'll dispatch bricklayers immediately to your location".
 

the watchman

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here's an interesting article.
If President Trump declared an emergency, Section Five of the act gives the House of Representatives the right to repudiate it immediately, then pass their resolution to the Senate — which is explicitly required to conduct a floor vote within 15 days. Since President Trump’s “emergency” declaration would be a direct response to his failure to convince Congress that national security requires his wall, it is hard to believe that a majority of the Senate, if forced to vote, would accept his show of contempt for their authority.

The Supreme Court’s 1953 decision in Youngstown v. Sawyer would be critical in Congressional consideration of such a decision. In a canonical opinion by Justice Robert Jackson, the court invalidated President Truman’s attempt in 1952 to use his powers as commander in chief to nationalize steel mills in the face of labor strikes. The decision imposed fundamental constitutional limits on the president’s power to claim that a national emergency — in this case, the Korean War — allowed him to override express provisions preventing him from using those powers domestically.
Opinion | No, Trump Cannot Declare an ‘Emergency’ to Build His Wall