Nevada's Culinary Union warns against Medicare for all

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As we speak ...

They are being attacked by the old fool's man-buns.

Death threats, vandalism at the Democratic headquarters; the whole menu.

I've stopped wondering when somebody at the DNC will have the hair to point out that he won't even joining the party he's trying to hijack.

They just won't.

They deserve what they get.

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The problem with the opt in, is that it needs a lot of people to enroll in it to keep costs down. If union households are happy with their coverage they wont buy in, neither would kids under 26 or people happy with their current coverage. So the issue then is the costs would be high. I would think the govt could use a single insurer and then put it all under one (Medicare, SS, Medicaid, Opt in) to keep costs low. But they dont.

Union households are a tiny minority of the population. Many kids under 26 don't have insurance provided by their parents. Government sponsored healthcare insurance in the US is already more efficient and cost effective than is private sector insurance.

Still, people who've had good insurance provided by their employer for years will understandably be skeptical of giving that up for a replacement of unknown quality. That's why the pitch for going public cold turkey is unpopular -- among both Democrats and Republicans. Besides, Democrats would have to win a super-majority in both houses of Congress to pass it, and they're far too busy arguing among themselves to do that.
 
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So do you support giving people the option to opt out of medicare as it currently is now?

All these elderly democrats supporting Buttigieg because of his stupid opt in shit are being incredibly selfish. I say let's turn the tables and let people opt out of paying for their medicare, then let's see how much they love his plan. Oh I bet his support would dry up in a hurry then. haha

You just want something for nothing.
 
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We provide education for all in this country through high school. But we still allow people to opt to send their kids to private school.


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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders would “end Culinary Healthcare” if elected president, according to a new one-pager the politically powerful Culinary Union is posting back of house on the Las Vegas Strip. The flyer says Sanders, if elected president, would “end Culinary Healthcare,” “require ‘Medicare For All,’” and “lower drug prices.”

The new flyer, a copy of which was obtained by The Nevada Independent, compares the positions on health care, “good jobs” and immigration of six Demoratic presidential hopefuls who have come to the union’s headquarters over the last two months to court its members.

The Culinary Union, which provides health insurance to 130,000 workers and their family members through a special trust fund, strongly opposes Medicare for all on the basis that it would eliminate the health insurance they have negotiated for over several decades. Health insurance provided by the Culinary Health Fund is considered to be some of the best in the state, and the union even opened a 60,000-square-foot state-of-the-art health clinic a couple of years ago for its members.

The Nevada Independent reported on last week obliquely accuses Sanders and Warren of wanting to take away union members’ hard-fought health plans and warns that electing a candidate who supports Medicare for all would lead to four more years of a Donald Trump presidency.

It's kind of annoying how unions launch attacks on the candidates for exactly opposite reasons that other unions launch attacks on other candidates.

On one hand we have this culinary union attacking Bernie Sanders, and then look over here and you see this flight attendants' union attacking Pete Buttigieg for pointing out exactly what the culinary union (along with about a hundred other unions) is saying.

Flight attendants union head blasts Buttigieg for saying union members 'fought hard' for private insurance plans

How dare Pete Buttigieg utter facts!!!

Here's a thought. How about the all the unions pissing and moaning at the candidates instead direct all their bitching toward each other for the next few months, since none of them can seem to agree on much of anything to begin with.
 
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It's kind of annoying how unions launch attacks on the candidates for exactly opposite reasons that other unions launch attacks on other candidates.

On one hand we have this culinary union attacking Bernie Sanders, and then look over here and you see this flight attendants' union attacking Pete Buttigieg for pointing out exactly what the culinary union (along with about a hundred other unions) is saying.

Flight attendants union head blasts Buttigieg for saying union members 'fought hard' for private insurance plans

How dare Pete Buttigieg utter facts!!!

Here's a thought. How about the all the unions pissing and moaning at the candidates instead direct all their bitching toward each other, since none of them can seem to agree on much of anything to begin with.
The Airline Attendants supposedly have a health care plan that is costing their members more and more every year.
The Culinary Workers have an excellent plan that is either completely or almost completely paid for by the employers.
So the Medicare for all works better for the Airline Attendants while the opt in option works better for the Culinary Workers.


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The Airline Attendants supposedly have a health care plan that is costing their members more and more every year.
The Culinary Workers have an excellent plan that is either completely or almost completely paid for by the employers.
So the Medicare for all works better for the Airline Attendants while the opt in option works better for the Culinary Workers.
I'll assume that's true, but since each union's health benefits are largely a result of their bargaining choices and efforts, it really doesn't garner any respect from me that union presidents launch political attacks based on this. She's sleeping in the bed she made for herself, so she shouldn't get to attack people for it.

If the flight attendant's union had just said "we support Medicare For All since we think it'd be good for our workers and the rest of the country," I'd take no issue with that public statement. But to lash out aggressively against someone for literally just repeating what other unions have said (and continue to say), and something which is objectively true, really just seems pathetic.
 
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I'll assume that's true, but since each union's health benefits are largely a result of their bargaining choices and efforts, it really doesn't garner any respect from me that union presidents launch political attacks based on this. She's sleeping in the bed she made for herself, so she shouldn't get to attack people for it.

If the flight attendant's union had just said "we support Medicare For All since we think it'd be good for our workers and the rest of the country," I'd take no issue with that public statement. But to lash out aggressively against someone for literally just repeating what other unions have said (and continue to say), and something which is objectively true, really just seems pathetic.
I agree with you.
Was just explaining what the difference is.
I saw a woman early this morning from the Flight Attendants, not sure if she was the president or not. But she did seem to be attacking the Culinary Workers for the stance they took. That was definitely out of line. I don’t think she named any of the candidates at that time.


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I agree with you.
Was just explaining what the difference is.
I saw a woman early this morning from the Flight Attendants, not sure if she was the president or not. But she did seem to be attacking the Culinary Workers for the stance they took. That was definitely out of line. I don’t think she named any of the candidates at that time.
They could ask for less generous and much cheaper health insurance in exchange for higher wages. That way if a single payer plan does prevail in the coming handful of years, they’ll only stand to gain.

They could have started with this in the 90s or before and we’d likely have something much closer to single payer today because they’d all be pulling in the same direction this whole time.

Maybe the Flight Attendants Union President should start lashing out at other unions and their members who incessantly trap themselves into stagnant wage situations because they can’t let go of their platinum health coverage despite its skyrocketing cost. It’s this platinum coverage that makes them anti-single payer. Attack the other unions.