Noam Chomsky vs. Al Franken: progressive divide between senators, intellectuals on Ga

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I have been trying to figure this out myself….

I get WHY the Politicians have to UNCONDITIONALLY support Israel…. I don't LIKE it, But…
that is the REALITY of Citizens United and The STONG Lobbies in the USA…..

Now, I KNOW that not all Liberals think a like…. That would just be ridiculous to even think that way….

BUT….. If I were to post an article written by Noam Chomsky on PRETTY much
most subjects…. The LIBERALS here of ALL Religious Backgrounds would mostly agree
with SOME premise of the article… maybe NOT 100% of it…. But, we would mostly tend to
agree on MOST of it……

UNLESS it is an article on Israel…..

Then the Liberals here, become DIVIDED by Religious Background…. When with American Politics, they do NOT support Neocon Policies … BUT, when it comes to Israel, Then some Liberals will UNCONDITIONALLY
Support Neocon Israeli Policies….

Liberals LOVE questioning Americans Politicians and wanting to HOLD AMERICA UP to a HIGHER Standard…

We Criticize our Government because we KNOW that the USA could be a LOT better…

I will ALWAYS Hold my Country, My FAMILY, MYSELF to a Higher Standard than I will
other peoples countries, families….. etc…

This does NOT seem to the case with MANY Liberal Jewish Americans….

Noam Chomsky vs. Al Franken:

Behind the odd progressive divide between senators, intellectuals on Gaza


Senate progressives join unanimous resolution backing Israel, but the reaction has been different elsewhere on left


Very recently, former U.S. national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski had this to say about Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s brutal attack on and now invasion of Gaza: “He is isolating Israel. He’s endangering its longer-range future. And I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N.”

While it is to be expected that not all of Washington would sign on to this, it is shocking to find the U.S. Senate voting unanimously for Senate Resolution 498, which gave U.S. support for the Israeli defense forces’ invasion and urges Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas to dissolve the unity governing arrangement with Hamas and condemn the attacks on Israel. The resolution calls on Hamas to immediately cease all rocket and other attacks against Israel.

Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., a co-sponsor of the resolution, was absolutely right when he said, “The United States Senate is in Israel’s camp.”

For many outside the U.S. Senate, the discovery that even progressive stalwarts such as Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Al Franken, D-Minn., voted for the resolution is more than disappointing. It does more than confirm U.S. Senate support for Israel. It pushes that statement beyond any rational or ethical or moral framework imaginable.


Noam Chomsky vs. Al Franken: Behind the odd progressive divide between senators, intellectuals on Gaza - Salon.com


While the vote was heralded by Israel and its sympathizers, it was met with outrage from not only those in the U.S. but also those abroad, who clearly read it for what it was—the signal that there would be no political solution on the horizon, at least one that would in any way be just.


Noam Chomsky vs. Al Franken: Behind the odd progressive divide between senators, intellectuals on Gaza - Salon.com


To cite just a few examples, on July 10, Richard Silverstein, Joel Beinin and I wrote a statement critiquing and deploring the violence, and gathered over a hundred key endorsements from the U.S., Europe, Israel-Palestine and elsewhere. It ran as an ad in both English and Hebrew in Hareetz, and was picked up in the United States by Truthout. We are still taking signatures. Also, a distinguished group of seven Nobel Peace laureates including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Adolfo Peres Esquivel, Jody Williams, Mairead Maguire, Rigoberta Menchú and Betty Williams and 64 other international public figures signed a letter to The Guardian urging a military embargo against Israel. The letter was then opened for more signatures, which are now pouring in. Another such example is a French petition, emanating from The Association of Scholars for the Respect of International Law in Palestine (AURDIP), created by Ahmed Abbes, Sonia Dayan-Herzbrun, Ivar Ekeland, Jean-Marc Lévy-Leblond and Étienne Balibar, which forms solidarity with Palestinian scholars and international scholars as well.

One of the most impressive and meaningful efforts was created by Professor Haim Bresheeth, an eminent filmmaker, photographer, and a film studies scholar teaching at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London, who conceived of and issued “An Open Letter to Israeli Academics.” Bresheeth explained why he started this effort:


As the son of Holocaust survivors, who was born in a DP camp in Italy, and grew up in Jaffa in the evacuated home of Palestinians who were made refugees by Israel’s army and never allowed to return, I am acutely sensitized to the meaning of refugee life and its injustices.

Academics and intellectuals have, I think, a moral and socio-political duty to speak up against oppression and injustice. They enjoy heightened status and many social benefits, and must ‘speak truth to power’. If they do not, then a social collapse of the kind that happened in Germany in the 1930s or in the USA during McCarthyism, brings about a destructive social process. This has now happened in Israel, where fascist and racist tendencies have taken over the public sphere. We have called on our colleagues in Israel to play an active role in stopping the immoral, illegal war on Gaza, and assisting towards bringing about a political solution, leading to a just peace and the end of the occupation. So far, they have not risen to this challenge, unfortunately.
 
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here is the article BY Noam Chomsky I was talking about…..


Nightmare in Gaza

Sunday, 03 August 2014 09:09
By Noam Chomsky, Truthout | Op-Ed


Amid all the horrors unfolding in the latest Israeli offensive in Gaza, Israel's goal is simple: quiet-for-quiet, a return to the norm.
For the West Bank, the norm is that Israel continues its illegal construction of settlements and infrastructure so that it can integrate into Israel whatever might be of value, meanwhile consigning Palestinians to unviable cantons and subjecting them to repression and violence.
For Gaza, the norm is a miserable existence under a cruel and destructive siege that Israel administers to permit bare survival but nothing more.
The latest Israeli rampage was set off by the brutal murder of three Israeli boys from a settler community in the occupied West Bank. A month before, two Palestinian boys were shot dead in the West Bank city of Ramallah. That elicited little attention, which is understandable, since it is routine.



Nightmare in Gaza


"The institutionalized disregard for Palestinian life in the West helps explain not only why Palestinians resort to violence," Middle East analyst Mouin Rabbani reports, "but also Israel's latest assault on the Gaza Strip."

In an interview, human rights lawyer Raji Sourani, who has remained in Gaza through years of Israeli brutality and terror, said, "The most common sentence I heard when people began to talk about cease-fire: Everybody says it's better for all of us to die and not go back to the situation we used to have before this war. We don't want that again. We have no dignity, no pride; we are just soft targets, and we are very cheap. Either this situation really improves or it is better to just die. I am talking about intellectuals, academics, ordinary people: Everybody is saying that."

In January 2006, Palestinians committed a major crime: They voted the wrong way in a carefully monitored free election, handing control of Parliament to Hamas.

Nightmare in Gaza


The media constantly intone that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. In reality, Hamas leaders have repeatedly made it clear that Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus that has been blocked by the U.S. and Israel for 40 years.

In contrast, Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Palestine, apart from some occasional meaningless words, and is implementing that commitment.

The crime of the Palestinians in January 2006 was punished at once. The U.S. and Israel, with Europe shamefully trailing behind, imposed harsh sanctions on the errant population and Israel stepped up its violence.

The U.S. and Israel quickly initiated plans for a military coup to overthrow the elected government. When Hamas had the effrontery to foil the plans, the Israeli assaults and the siege became far more severe.

There should be no need to review again the dismal record since. The relentless siege and savage attacks are punctuated by episodes of "mowing the lawn," to borrow Israel's cheery expression for its periodic exercises in shooting fish in a pond as part of what it calls a "war of defense."

"mowing the lawn," to borrow Israel's cheery expression for its periodic exercises in shooting fish in a pond as part of what it calls a "war of defense."


Though Israel maintained its siege, Hamas observed the cease-fire, as Israel concedes. Matters changed in April of this year when Fatah and Hamas forged a unity agreement that established a new government of technocrats unaffiliated with either party.

Israel was naturally furious, all the more so when even the Obama administration joined the West in signaling approval. The unity agreement not only undercuts Israel's claim that it cannot negotiate with a divided Palestine but also threatens the long-term goal of dividing Gaza from the West Bank and pursuing its destructive policies in both regions.

Something had to be done, and an occasion arose on June 12, when the three Israeli boys were murdered in the West Bank. Early on, the Netanyahu government knew that they were dead, but pretended otherwise, which provided the opportunity to launch a rampage in the West Bank, targeting Hamas.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed to have certain knowledge that Hamas was responsible. That too was a lie.

One of Israel's leading authorities on Hamas, Shlomi Eldar, reported almost at once that the killers very likely came from a dissident clan in Hebron that has long been a thorn in the side of Hamas. Eldar added that "I'm sure they didn't get any green light from the leadership of Hamas, they just thought it was the right time to act."

The 18-day rampage after the kidnapping, however, succeeded in undermining the feared unity government, and sharply increasing Israeli repression. Israel also conducted dozens of attacks in Gaza, killing five Hamas members on July 7.
Hamas finally reacted with its first rockets in 19 months, providing Israel with the pretext for Operation Protective Edge on July 8.
 
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Forty years ago Israel made the fateful decision to choose expansion over security, rejecting a full peace treaty offered by Egypt in return for evacuation from the occupied Egyptian Sinai, where Israel was initiating extensive settlement and development projects. Israel has adhered to that policy ever since.


Nightmare in Gaza


Furthermore, Israel by now has little recourse, after having adopted policies that turned it from a country that was greatly admired to one that is feared and despised, policies it is pursuing with blind determination today in its march toward moral deterioration and possible ultimate destruction.


Israel most certainly is guilty of this consistent pattern, and has been for many years.
 
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People think individually and not by some rote prescription of history when it comes to the ME and isreal. I am an atheist and could care less what happens as long as WE do not get involved. If we do get involved then a nuke should rectify the problem.
 
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Frankly my dear I don't give a damn.
Meaning what exactly???

You don't care that American Democrats are supportive of Israel and that THEY SHOULD Support Israel
not matter what they do????


Or, you don't care for my question and article I posted????
 
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Forty years ago Israel made the fateful decision to choose expansion over security, rejecting a full peace treaty offered by Egypt in return for evacuation from the occupied Egyptian Sinai, where Israel was initiating extensive settlement and development projects. Israel has adhered to that policy ever since.
1979 Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty gives the Sinai back to Egypt in return for Egypt agreeing to leave the region demilitarized. In 1967 Egypt supplied a fair amount of military power to try to overwhelm Egypt and lost, Israel occupied the Sinai as a buffer zone and thankfully they did because in 1972 Egypt launched a fairly well conceived offensive which was actually quite effective and actually pushed Israel to the brink. If that battle had occurred farther to the east, the Egyptians would've been in Tel-Aviv.

Thereafter, the Egyptians finally came to terms with Israel, Israel gave land, Egypt acknowledged Israel's legitimate security fears and agreed to leave the Sinai in a demilitarized state.

The Egyptians got the Sinai back because they stopped trying to destroy Israel.
 
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Meaning what exactly???

You don't care that American Democrats are supportive of Israel and that THEY SHOULD Support Israel
not matter what they do????


Or, you don't care for my question and article I posted????
It was sarcasm. That is why I made a posting right behind it.
 
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1979 Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty gives the Sinai back to Egypt in return for Egypt agreeing to leave the region demilitarized. In 1967 Egypt supplied a fair amount of military power to try to overwhelm Egypt and lost, Israel occupied the Sinai as a buffer zone and thankfully they did because in 1972 Egypt launched a fairly well conceived offensive which was actually quite effective and actually pushed Israel to the brink. If that battle had occurred farther to the east, the Egyptians would've been in Tel-Aviv.

Thereafter, the Egyptians finally came to terms with Israel, Israel gave land, Egypt acknowledged Israel's legitimate security fears and agreed to leave the Sinai in a demilitarized state.

The Egyptians got the Sinai back because they stopped trying to destroy Israel.
And the worst thing to happen was the assassination of Anwar Saddat after the peace accord brokered by Jimmy, peanut boy, Carter.
 
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People think individually and not by some rote prescription of history when it comes to the ME and isreal. I am an atheist and could care less what happens as long as WE do not get involved. If we do get involved then a nuke should rectify the problem.
Of course people think INDIVIDUALLY….

I just wonder how it can be such a VAST difference when it comes to Criticizing American Policies….as MANY Liberals do….

Then turn around and become RATHER Right wing, on Israeli Policies….

It is an INTERESTING 360….. One that deserves at least a discussion …..

If you are not interested in this question…. Why would you chose to comment ???

I'm an Atheist…. and I find it CURIOUS that American Liberal Jewish community
can continue to support such a RIGHT WING Ideology with Israel,

But… Support a LEFT WING Ideology
in the USA and Europe……



There are a LOT of Left Wing Moderate Jews who LIVE in Israel who do NOT support what Israel is
doing…….
 

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