Obama: America’s founders inspired communist Ho Chi Minh

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Obama: America?s founders inspired communist Ho Chi Minh | TheBlaze.com
Seriously, Barry? Only an idiot liberal/socialist such as yourself could believe the kind of bullshit you are spinning. You are either out of your fucking mind or have been snorting way too much cocaine.

umm its common knowledge that the Vietnamese nationalist took inspiration from the USA's founding. The USA's mistake was backing France's re-occupation of Vietnam when ww2 ended... after the Vietnamese fought their Japanese occupiers who had defeated the French occupiers.

Below is Vietnam's Declaration of Independence that was presented to the world on 9/2/1945.
(btw request was denied. Sooo Vietnam's war against their next foreign occupier continued, this time against the french. and after France was defeated came the USA).




Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.

The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: “All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights.”

Those are undeniable truths.

Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice.


-In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty.

-They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck our national unity and prevent our people from being united.

-They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots; they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood.

-They have fettered public opinion; they have practiced obscurantism against our people. To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol.



-In the field of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone, impoverished our people, and devastated our land.

-They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials.

-They have monopolized the issuing of bank-notes and the export trade.

-They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people, especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty.

-They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie; they have mercilessly exploited our workers.



In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina’s territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them.

Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two million of our fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were disarmed by the Japanese. The French colonialists either fled or surrendered showing that not only were they incapable of “protecting” us, but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the Japanese.

On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Caobang.

Notwithstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier, rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and property.

From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French colony and had become a Japanese possession. After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.



The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not from the French.

The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present Democratic Republic.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully acquired in our Fatherland.

The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to reconquer their country.

We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Tehran and San Francisco have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam.

A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eight years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country—and in fact is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty.

..end..




Anyhoo.. seems like a reasonable request
:tranquillity:

 
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michaelr

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umm its common knowledge that the Vietnamese nationalist took inspiration from the USA's founding. The USA's mistake was backing France's re-occupation of Vietnam when ww2 ended... after the Vietnamese fought their Japanese occupiers who had defeated the French occupiers.

Below is Vietnam's Declaration of Independence that was presented to the world on 9/2/1945.
(btw request was denied. Sooo Vietnam's war against their next foreign occupier continued, this time against the french. and after France was defeated came the USA).




Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.

The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: “All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights.”

Those are undeniable truths.

Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice.

In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty.

They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck our national unity and prevent our people from being united.

They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots; they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood.

They have fettered public opinion; they have practiced obscurantism against our people.
To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol.

In the field of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone, impoverished our people, and devastated our land.
They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials. They have monopolized the issuing of bank-notes and the export trade.

They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people, especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty.

They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie; they have mercilessly exploited our workers.
In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina’s territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them.

Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two million of our fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were disarmed by the Japanese. The French colonialists either fled or surrendered showing that not only were they incapable of “protecting” us, but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the Japanese.

On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Caobang.

Notwithstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier, rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and property.

From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French colony and had become a Japanese possession.
After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not from the French.

The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present Democratic Republic.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully acquired in our Fatherland.

The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to reconquer their country.

We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Tehran and San Francisco have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam.

A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eight years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country—and in fact is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty.

..end..




Anyhoo.. seems like a reasonable request
:tranquillity:

I have no choice but to agree here, it is the facts.
 
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umm its common knowledge that the Vietnamese nationalist took inspiration from the USA's founding. The USA's mistake was backing France's re-occupation of Vietnam when ww2 ended... after the Vietnamese fought their Japanese occupiers who had defeated the French occupiers.

Below is Vietnam's Declaration of Independence that was presented to the world on 9/2/1945.
(btw request was denied. Sooo Vietnam's war against their next foreign occupier continued, this time against the french. and after France was defeated came the USA).




Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.

The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: “All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights.”

Those are undeniable truths.

Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice.

-In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty.

-They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck our national unity and prevent our people from being united.

-They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots; they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood.

-They have fettered public opinion; they have practiced obscurantism against our people.

-To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol.

-In the field of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone, impoverished our people, and devastated our land.

-They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials.

-They have monopolized the issuing of bank-notes and the export trade.

-They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people, especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty.

-They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie; they have mercilessly exploited our workers.


In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina’s territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them.

Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two million of our fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were disarmed by the Japanese. The French colonialists either fled or surrendered showing that not only were they incapable of “protecting” us, but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the Japanese.

On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Caobang.

Notwithstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier, rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and property.

From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French colony and had become a Japanese possession. After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not from the French.

The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present Democratic Republic.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully acquired in our Fatherland.

The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to reconquer their country.

We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Tehran and San Francisco have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam.

A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eight years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country—and in fact is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty.

..end..




Anyhoo.. seems like a reasonable request
:tranquillity:

I guess I missed the part about sending people to reeducation camps and executing dissenters. I guess that is still to come.

Ho Chi Minh was a butcher and a despot, no better than Stalin, Hitler or Mao. To compare him in a positive light to Thomas Jefferson is an insult. While it is true the Founding Father's weren't perfect and still had a few things to work out, they were on the right track.
 
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Obama isn't discussing his views here, he is discussing Ho's...who is on record of saying he liked the founding fathers vision.

In fact he often used the American Revolution to inspire his own generals, who oddly enough were fighting America, about how a much weaker force can take on the strongest force in the world and win.

This really has nothing to do with Obama.

There's enough legit stuff to complain about with him without resorting to made up crap like this.

And by the way, Jefferson was no great person...he gave us our first definition of flip-flopper as soon as he became President. Any leader who looks up to him for inspiration either doesn't know Jefferson's story or is a complete idiot.
 
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Ho Chi Minh's government was still a nasty piece of work (the South and North governments both were), but at the beginning he did hold the hope that the US would accept his government of Vietnam and not intervene. So really Obama is trying to do some reconcillation over the past, by saying that when some representatives of the government of Vietnam are visiting.
 
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Obama: America?s founders inspired communist Ho Chi Minh | TheBlaze.com

Uh Ho: Obama Says Vietnamese Dictator Inspired by Founding Fathers | Fox News

Seriously, Barry? Only an idiot liberal/socialist such as yourself could believe the kind of bullshit you are spinning. You are either out of your fucking mind or have been snorting way too much cocaine.
When you read farther into this thread you're going to love the part where you get your ass handed to you by your own teabaggers. BTW it is well known by most with a bit of knowldge of history that Uncle Ho was a fanboy of the American Revolution.
 
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I guess I missed the part about sending people to reeducation camps and executing dissenters. I guess that is still to come.

Ho Chi Minh was a butcher and a despot, no better than Stalin, Hitler or Mao. To compare him in a positive light to Thomas Jefferson is an insult. While it is true the Founding Father's weren't perfect and still had a few things to work out, they were on the right track.
Whether he had people executed or not doesn't change the fact that he took inspiration from the American revolution, which incidentally proofs his bourgeois political character. Ho Chi Minh was not a despot in the category of Stalin, Hitler, or Mao. All these three enacted mass slaughter of millions and totalitarian policies. Ho Chi Minh founded a police state but not a totalitarian state, he had thousands executed but not millions. Thomas Jefferson was a despot of the same category as Ho Chi Minh. He owned hundreds of slaves after all -- if that isn't a despot then I don't know what is.
 
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That Obama, he's a real hoot. He should write a book....."Enlightenment for the Gifted". I'm sure every leftist will buy a copy and put it on their coffee table.
 

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