Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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I remember liberal clowns piling all over McCain (I am not a McCain fan) for not being able to use a keyboard efficiently due to his handicap from his time in Vietnam and their insistence that any modern president must be completely technology immersed. I don't hear them whining now.

AFP via Google said:
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HAMPTON, Virginia — US President Barack Obama lamented Sunday that in the iPad and Xbox era, information had become a diversion that was imposing new strains on democracy, in his latest critique of modern media.
Obama, who often chides journalists and cable news outlets for obsessing with political horse race coverage rather than serious issues, told a class of graduating university students that education was the key to progress.
"You're coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don't always rank all that high on the truth meter," Obama said at Hampton University, Virginia.


"With iPods and iPads and Xboxes and PlayStations, -- none of which I know how to work -- information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation," Obama said.


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Just because he doesn't have an iPod, iPad, Xbox, or PlayStation doesn't mean he's technologically-handicapped. Not that long after he entered office there was all that news about his obsession with his Blackberry phone. As a tech guru, I don't know how to use an iPad. Why? Because I've never seen one. Had I never had an iPod or PlayStation, I wouldn't know how to use them either. As for the Xbox, I only roughly know how to use it, as I've only ever experienced one once.
That doesn't really shine on me in a negative light, seeing as how I can make my computer do things the majority of people wouldn't know what means. Not only do I know how to operate a Wii system, but I hacked it to run custom programs.
Because there are things that a president doesn't know how to operate and doesn't need to know how to operate, that doesn't shine negatively on him.
A technologically advanced president isn't a positive attribute because of his ability to listen to music on the fly and play video games, but because of his potential ability to communicate with the masses (e.g. a computer, Internet, e-mail, websites, forums, social networking). Most importantly e-mail, website CMS's, and potentially forums (as I assume he has people update his social networking statuses for him). These are the means by which he is capable of communicating with the majority of America.

I don't think a handicap that prevents typing shines negatively on a potential president (as he can always have someone else do it), but the argument should be - does he know how to harness the means of the Internet to communicate effectively with the masses, or with his peers? e.g. sending an e-mail to a/all Congressperson(s) is much more effective than writing them a letter.
Now, I don't know McCain's technological ability, so I'm not saying he doesn't know how to do any of this. I'm saying that Obama has no need to know how to use items that he not only doesn't own, but would offer absolutely no help in presidential ability.
 
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Charles, you are a different kind of liberal then. Those with whom I have interacted trashed Mr. McCain, and once again I am no McCain fan, for not being able to type efficiently as one who was practically a ludite. It was unfair then and it is unfair now, I am glad to have found a liberal who is honest. I fear you may be one of a very small number who are.
 
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I wouldn't blanket statement liberals. I find the most important attribute in politics is understanding both arguments. As I've stated before, I may support socialism, but I also support libertarianism, because I'm capable of seeing the pros of both sides. It seems all media outlets focus only on the negatives, as if either side offer absolutely no positives. Overall, I feel that hurts the country more than it helps.

But, back on topic - as far as I'm aware, Obama doesn't type his own communications. I have his feed showing on my Facebook updates, and they certainly sound canned or written by a professional writing staff. That doesn't bother me, and I don't know why it should; nor do I see how said messages would appear any different if McCain were in office. His typing ability has no impact on the typing ability of his writing staff. He doesn't need to be able to type; he just needs to be able to tell people what to type and where. If he doesn't know anything about Facebook, he'd likely not care to inform what is the largest social gathering of American citizens on the Internet.

If I remember correctly, I think there was a lot of talk about McCain not understanding how to use the Internet at all (including e-mail), but that may have just been satire [based on his typing handicap]. I didn't pay too much attention to the elections back when I heard about that, so I don't remember too much details about it.
 
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Charles, you are a different kind of liberal then. Those with whom I have interacted trashed Mr. McCain, and once again I am no McCain fan, for not being able to type efficiently as one who was practically a ludite. It was unfair then and it is unfair now, I am glad to have found a liberal who is honest. I fear you may be one of a very small number who are.
I think that you missed Mr. Obama's central point. He was not trashing technology, he was lamenting the absence of good old-fashioned "truth" on so many forms of digital communication. That is a point that honest people, whether liberal or conservative, may appreciate. On the other hand, YOU may not.

Charles appears to be a decent human being. You should not be (or pretend to be) so surprised that a decent human being identifies himself as a liberal. There are a lot of folks like that.

I am a relatively conservative sort of person, but one who appreciates the fact that both liberals and conservatives have a legitimate place in political discussion. Your comments suggest that you do not share my appreciation of intelligent thought--regardless of the label arbitrarily attached to its originator. If that attitude is shared by many of the staff here, then you will find that some of those "liberals" who have been "inducted" to politicsforum.com from PoliticaProps.org may not choose to stay. And frankly, if that is considered an appropriate attitude for a "Global Moderator," I probably won't be around much, either.
 
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I wouldn't blanket statement liberals. I find the most important attribute in politics is understanding both arguments. As I've stated before, I may support socialism, but I also support libertarianism, because I'm capable of seeing the pros of both sides. It seems all media outlets focus only on the negatives, as if either side offer absolutely no positives. Overall, I feel that hurts the country more than it helps.

But, back on topic - as far as I'm aware, Obama doesn't type his own communications. I have his feed showing on my Facebook updates, and they certainly sound canned or written by a professional writing staff. That doesn't bother me, and I don't know why it should; nor do I see how said messages would appear any different if McCain were in office. His typing ability has no impact on the typing ability of his writing staff. He doesn't need to be able to type; he just needs to be able to tell people what to type and where. If he doesn't know anything about Facebook, he'd likely not care to inform what is the largest social gathering of American citizens on the Internet.

If I remember correctly, I think there was a lot of talk about McCain not understanding how to use the Internet at all (including e-mail), but that may have just been satire [based on his typing handicap]. I didn't pay too much attention to the elections back when I heard about that, so I don't remember too much details about it.
You miss my point. That wasn't a blanket statement, it referred specifically to those who were rabidly abusing John mcCain as a ludite for not being able to efficiently use technology due to his handicap. That is why I was so surprised that Mr. Obama was not under scrutiny for his technology comments.

I believe that Mr. Obama is pretty big BlackBerry fan. I remember some discussion about having to make some pretty serious concessions to allow him to use it.
 
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Charles, you are a different kind of liberal then. Those with whom I have interacted trashed Mr. McCain, and once again I am no McCain fan, for not being able to type efficiently as one who was practically a ludite. It was unfair then and it is unfair now
Agreed about the unfairness of ranting, foaming-at-the-mouth political extremists. It seems they'll blow up any point, no matter how trivial or unjust in order to bash their opposite numbers and make a blanket statement insulting them. Pretty immature and stupid, eh?

I try to live by thoughts such as these. Can't say I always succeed, but it's worth the effort:

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others. ~Moliere

God has given you one face, and you make yourself another. ~William Shakespeare

How seldom we weigh our neighbors in the same balance as ourselves. ~Thomas à Kempis

Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. ~H.G. Wells
 
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I think that you missed Mr. Obama's central point. He was not trashing technology, he was lamenting the absence of good old-fashioned "truth" on so many forms of digital communication. That is a point that honest people, whether liberal or conservative, may appreciate. On the other hand, YOU may not.

Charles appears to be a decent human being. You should not be (or pretend to be) so surprised that a decent human being identifies himself as a liberal. There are a lot of folks like that.

I am a relatively conservative sort of person, but one who appreciates the fact that both liberals and conservatives have a legitimate place in political discussion. Your comments suggest that you do not share my appreciation of intelligent thought--regardless of the label arbitrarily attached to its originator. If that attitude is shared by many of the staff here, then you will find that some of those "liberals" who have been "inducted" to politicsforum.com from PoliticaProps.org may not choose to stay. And frankly, if that is considered an appropriate attitude for a "Global Moderator," I probably won't be around much, either.
Greetings HighForester. You should note that the comment was framed with "those with whom I have interacted." That is in no fair sense of the discussion a blanket condemnation of liberals. It really is simply a statement of my experiences with a particular political group, no different than a person talking about those they might have dealt with on the right who believe that Mr. Obama is not an American citizen.

Those labeling Mr. McCain, and once again take note of the fact that I am not a McCain supporter, a ludite due to his handicap are certainly not engaging in any form of intelligent thought. It is simply political chicanery.
 
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Agreed about the unfairness of ranting, foaming-at-the-mouth political extremists. It seems they'll blow up any point, no matter how trivial or unjust in order to bash their opposite numbers and make a blanket statement insulting them. Pretty immature and stupid, eh?

I try to live by thoughts such as these. Can't say I always succeed, but it's worth the effort:

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others. ~Moliere

God has given you one face, and you make yourself another. ~William Shakespeare

How seldom we weigh our neighbors in the same balance as ourselves. ~Thomas à Kempis

Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. ~H.G. Wells
Quite well said, and just what I have been doing an apparently bad job of trying to get across. :)
 
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Greetings HighForester. You should note that the comment was framed with "those with whom I have interacted." That is in no fair sense of the discussion a blanket condemnation of liberals. It really is simply a statement of my experiences with a particular political group, no different than a person talking about those they might have dealt with on the right who believe that Mr. Obama is not an American citizen.

Those labeling Mr. McCain, and once again take note of the fact that I am not a McCain supporter, a ludite due to his handicap are certainly not engaging in any form of intelligent thought. It is simply political chicanery.
actually, no, youre initial statement was a blanket statement then when pointed out you retracted and framed it so as not to appear an ass. :)

on that note, obama is simply saying kids are exposed to too much bullshit nowadays.
 

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