Obama lays out U.S. vision for supporting Arab democracy, resolving Israeli-Palestini

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In a widely anticipated speech at the State Department today, President Barack Obama laid out a sweeping vision for U.S. policy in the Middle East and North Africa. Obama stressed a renewed U.S. focus on support for democracy and human rights, and drew heavily on the "Arab spring" popular rebellions of the past six month, which have challenged and in some cases upended, seemingly stable authoritarian regimes in the Arab world. At the same time, Obama defied expectations that he would refrain from using the speech to wander into the stalemated Israeli-Palestinian peace process by laying out a more detailed U.S. vision for resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with agreed land swaps based on borders that existed before Israel's occupation of the West Bank after the 1967 war.

The president bookended speech's two principal themes at the beginning and end of his remarks. "It will be the policy of the United States to support democracy and civil society in the region," Obama said in recognition of the Arab spring's legacy. And toward the end of the hour-long address, he cautioned that "the dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation."


In Obama's view, the United States needs to join forces with global community to work through a two-state framework for an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement. "What America and the international community can do is state frankly what everyone knows: a lasting peace will involve two states for two peoples," he continued. "Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people; each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace.

"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine," Obama said, laying out the U.S. position. "We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state."

Mideast experts called it a "moment of truth" and expressed relief that Obama chose to outline a U.S. vision for resolving the conflict at this time.

"I think the president intuitively understood that if he did not offer a legitimate way forward towards resolving the Israeli Palestinian conflict, that this broader vision for how America would engage with the citizens of the Middle East and North Africa would seem hollow," said former Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fl.), now president of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace and a close Obama administration ally on the peace process.

"By stating for the first time as an American president the American position that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be resolved based on '67 lines with agreed upon territorial swaps, Israeli prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian president Abbas now have decisions to make," Wexler continued. "And the decisions that they must make are not to be juxtaposed with the other sides ' position, but with America's position. And this is a moment of truth."

"For the Israelis and Palestinian publics . . . . President Obama has offered the way forward," Wexler continued.

Obama's laying out the U.S. vision that Israel and Palestine should negotiate borders on the '67 borders with agreed swaps is "a huge advance," said Stephen P. Cohen, a former Middle East consultant to the National Intelligence Council.

Obama's speech also emphasized U.S. political and economic support for democratic change and human rights in the region, and a broader compass for America's ties to the people of the Arab world beyond narrowly defined U.S. interests of fighting terrorism, security energy supplies and ensuring stability.

"Our support for these peoples is not of secondary interest: it is a top priority that must be translated into concrete actions," Obama said. The White House announced a billion dollars in debt relief for Egypt among other measures to try to lend economic support to fledgling democracies in the region.

Obama's speech heralded "the first opportunity for a serious American Middle East policy that we have had since the end of World War II," Cohen continued. "Now I must tell you, it is going to be not easy to implement. But he has spoken clearly about some of the steps can take now to implement which include not only verbal support of these groups but also to work hard on economic development of Egypt."

Obama lays out U.S. vision for supporting Arab democracy, resolving Israeli-Palestinian conflict - Yahoo! News

Looks like Israel would have to give up a lot of land under the Obama plan.

 
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This is great news. The map above dramatically illustrates what has been happening during the past 44years, as Palestinains have been displaced from their ancestral homes and forced into the rabbit-warrens of Ramallah, Nablus, and Gaza, while Israeli "settlers" have taken over all the arable land. President Obama has laid out a process whereby a viable Palestinain state may be established and negotiate on more equal terms with Israel.

The problem, of course, is that Israel will not accept any plan which does not allocate to them evry inch of what they want. They have the guns, and they believe that entitles them to take what they like. President Obama is going to have to use every bit of leverage he can muster just to get them to the table on this, and it is certain to be a MAJOR issue in next year's presidential campaign. To Obama's credit, he has come forth on the side of peace and justice. He will have the moral high ground.
 
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As I've been saying: NO negotiations said take place with the Palestinians, nor should they be taken seriously until they expel Hamas, stop electing internationally recognized terrorists to lead them, etc. I might even be willing to support Obama's 'plan' if the Palestinians would agree to GTFO OF JERUSALEM.
 
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As I've been saying: NO negotiations said take place with the Palestinians, nor should they be taken seriously until they expel Hamas, stop electing internationally recognized terrorists to lead them, etc. I might even be willing to support Obama's 'plan' if the Palestinians would agree to GTFO OF JERUSALEM.
Jerusalem has been their home for nearly 2000 years. It is also the place from which the Prophet ascended to Heaven, and the Mosque of the Dome of the Rock, which stands on the very site, is the third holiest shrine in Islam.
 

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As I've been saying: NO negotiations said take place with the Palestinians, nor should they be taken seriously until they expel Hamas, stop electing internationally recognized terrorists to lead them, etc. I might even be willing to support Obama's 'plan' if the Palestinians would agree to GTFO OF JERUSALEM.
Ever think of all that land theft is why Hamas and others show disdain for Israel. What would you do if Mexico stole that land from US, be buddy buddy? I can answer that for you, you and me would be fighting the same fight, and be on the front lines.
 
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Jerusalem has been their home for nearly 2000 years. It is also the place from which the Prophet ascended to Heaven, and the Mosque of the Dome of the Rock, which stands on the very site, is the third holiest shrine in Islam.
It's been the JEW'S home longer. I don't take your other points seriously, cuz I don't take Islam seriously, lol. Also, the Dome of the Rock is a very holy site for Jews too. Those Muslim POS stole it. God gave Jerusalem (HIS city) to the JEWS, the Jews are Israel. That was THEIR city 1st.
 
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Ever think of all that land theft is why Hamas and others show disdain for Israel. What would you do if Mexico stole that land from US, be buddy buddy? I can answer that for you, you and me would be fighting the same fight, and be on the front lines.
LOL you're naive here. Hamas would be trying to implement the final solution no matter what. They will ALWAYS, no matter WHAT. They have repeatedly violated cease fires, peace agreements, etc. No logical reason that should, or will change. Violence against Jews is their lifeblood.
 

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LOL you're naive here. Hamas would be trying to implement the final solution no matter what. They will ALWAYS, no matter WHAT. They have repeatedly violated cease fires, peace agreements, etc. No logical reason that should, or will change. Violence against Jews is their lifeblood.
Oh good grief. Well the Arabs had good relations with Israel for a long time, but unfortunately those days are long past.

I don't think Obama will get his dream, but I hope he does, it would be a pleasant surprise for me to support something he has done.
 
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Oh good grief. Well the Arabs had good relations with Israel for a long time, but unfortunately those days are long past.

I don't think Obama will get his dream, but I hope he does, it would be a pleasant surprise for me to support something he has done.
Yea man! Awesome Arab-Israeli relations! That's why they've been at virtually perpetual war so far for decades, more than half a century. The VAST majority of which Israel did NOT start. That's why things are the way they are there now.........

Are you drunk?
 
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Yea man! Awesome Arab-Israeli relations! That's why they've been at virtually perpetual war so far for decades, more than half a century. That's why things are the way they are there now.........

Are you drunk?
Only after the UN moved them back on land that they lost. And they haven't been fighting all their neighbors until they started stealing land.

Look Mexico lost land to the US in a shooting war, what would of happened if the UN gave it back. Where does the UN even get that authority?