Obama's "Stop Bernie" Campaign

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Sounds as if you are making some sort of entrapment defense. It won't work.
No that's apparently your claim. All i said was these convictions you talked of were process crimes that never would have occurred if not for the Mueller witch hunt.
 
Sep 2019
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You've pretty well described what we got in trump as president.
Right. Booming economy and soaring stock market along with lowest black and latino unemployment in history and the ISIS caliphate destroyed. What a failure that Trump is huh.
 
Jun 2014
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No that's apparently your claim. All i said was these convictions you talked of were process crimes that never would have occurred if not for the Mueller witch hunt.
Well, true, without a pending investigation or trial, witness tampering is impossible because there are no witnesses.

Your point appears to be the corruption would have been okay as long as nobody looked into it. If so, that's a foolish idea.
 
May 2019
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A Van Down by the River...
I will never understand why any Democratic voter reacts to Bernie's policy ideas with such rage and derision. Even if you think them impractical, whut are DEMOCRATS doing, demonizing socialistic programs?

As for the hope: only Bernie credibly proposes progressive policies that, if elected, he is certain to put forward (likely successfully.) You are meant to care about "the little guy"; minorities, the poor, the immigrants, etc.

Your POVs do not align with your presumed values, which once again illustrates how the DNC has come loose of its moorings.

If we fail to adopt socialistic policies and the taxes on the wealthy to fund them, income inequality in this country will continue to rise. The middle class -- already shrinking -- will all but disappear. I CANNOT understand why any voter of any class would want to accelerate our path towards this economic apocalypse.
I don't recall attacking his ideas.
Warren has many of his ideas. And I like and trust her.
I do stand by low opinion of him as a Democrat.
After 2016 he left the party as was predicted. Then, when his political ambitions rose up again he re-upped. I find this opportunistic patronage cynical and self-serving.
I also don't think it's at all appropriate to dissect my POV/vales in contrast with Bernie. If Bernie truly were looking for change he'd have taken his enormous clout and campaigned for folk and bolstered Warren, who on paper and otherwise at least has a shot.
The "He alone can fix it" hooha is dangerous. Bernie isn't some wizard that once in office will be able to enact the grand plans he claims. PoppyCockedness!
If he were so brilliant of politician, why after all these years in the Senate don't we have even the "easy" bi-partisan things like equal pay, paid family leave, early childhood education, etc under his guidance and leadership?
He has a lot to say about the others missteps with big bills. Well, name one big bill he even got a handful of folk to sign onto.
He doesn't have the ability to build coalitions and support.
So elect him. Big whoop. That's a guarantee that any large scale plan on healthcare or student debt, or whatever will be scuttled and fought over for another four years. Sounds fun. It'll be just like now except you'll be defending the other impotent prez.
I personally have had enough of sacrificing forward momentum for some old dude's ego.
 
Sep 2013
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I don't recall attacking his ideas.
Warren has many of his ideas. And I like and trust her.
I do stand by low opinion of him as a Democrat.
After 2016 he left the party as was predicted. Then, when his political ambitions rose up again he re-upped. I find this opportunistic patronage cynical and self-serving.
I also don't think it's at all appropriate to dissect my POV/vales in contrast with Bernie. If Bernie truly were looking for change he'd have taken his enormous clout and campaigned for folk and bolstered Warren, who on paper and otherwise at least has a shot.
The "He alone can fix it" hooha is dangerous. Bernie isn't some wizard that once in office will be able to enact the grand plans he claims. PoppyCockedness!
If he were so brilliant of politician, why after all these years in the Senate don't we have even the "easy" bi-partisan things like equal pay, paid family leave, early childhood education, etc under his guidance and leadership?
He has a lot to say about the others missteps with big bills. Well, name one big bill he even got a handful of folk to sign onto.
He doesn't have the ability to build coalitions and support.
So elect him. Big whoop. That's a guarantee that any large scale plan on healthcare or student debt, or whatever will be scuttled and fought over for another four years. Sounds fun. It'll be just like now except you'll be defending the other impotent prez.
I personally have had enough of sacrificing forward momentum for some old dude's ego.
In Vermont he has wide bipartisan support because he has been able to bring people together to get things done as mayor. He also has a reputation as an honest guy.

As to weather or not he’s Democrat enough, he caucuses with democrats, and votes with democrats more often than democrats - watch his feet.
 
Sep 2013
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No that's apparently your claim. All i said was these convictions you talked of were process crimes that never would have occurred if not for the Mueller witch hunt.
Aren’t you describing what sent Martha Stewart to jail, and resulted in Clinton losing his license to practice law?
 
Sep 2013
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Right. Booming economy and soaring stock market along with lowest black and latino unemployment in history and the ISIS caliphate destroyed. What a failure that Trump is huh.
Booming economy and debt, with no attempt to pay it down.

If it weren’t for trumps tariffs, which is a tax on the American consumer, our debt growth would be worse than it is. (Makes me wonder what would happen it we did reach a trade agreement with China, and dumped the tariffs).

Escalating conflict with North Korea. And Iran, spitting in the faces of our allies, and kissing the asses of the corrupt, abdicating agreements isn’t the way to make America great again, it’s how to make America irrelevant.

He is darn good at taking credit for the work of others though - best I e ever seen.