On the use of whackjobometers

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Yes, bias and accuracy are two different concepts... And it really needs their methodology and definitions process to understand how CNN winds up being their likely baseline of accuracy.
I don't know what you mean by them being their baseline for accuracy. Do they do that?

They're not the Oracle. I'm not saying they're God's gift to journalism.

I tend to see media as "yes integrity or no integrity". I can live with a slight bias, as it's almost unavoidable.

Im not going to discuss " are leftists giving Jewish new Yorkers poison vaccinations" on its merits. "Oh well, yeah, there two sides to every story" .... No there isn't.
 
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Used as a tool on PH, it is only meant to stifle conversation.
Sure. But some conversations should be stifled.

My kids school has a poster on the computer lab wall. T.H.I.N.K.

True, helpful, insightful, necessary, kind.

If it's not all those things, don't put it online.
 
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Most sources nowadays are part fact, part spin, and part opinion. Intelligent people can discern the differences. The silly media bias graphics are nothing more than lazy trollwork.
 
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Sounds like it went nowhere
That's because people will focus on 3 factors; 911 truth, gay frogs, and sandy hook.., doesn't matter what the subject is, if inforwars gets mentioned, that's the story you will hear.

And it's never in argument form; Jones is wrong because...

It is always in the form; Alex Jones is a nutter, 9-11 gay frogs.
 
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I have noticed a worrying trend recently.

As most have probably noticed, this forum is filled to the brim with great, steaming mounds of horseshit. A significant proportion of threads are begun by someone wheeling in a particularly fetid pile and smearing it all over the opening post.

This is not the worrying trend I'm talking about, nor is it a criticism of this forum - that's just what internet forums are like.

What I do find worrying, is a distressingly common response to this textual pollution. Rather than explaining why it's to be dismissed, perhaps by pointing out the factual errors, the poor logic, or the information concealed, several posters think the appropriate response is instead, this:



What's most concerning, is that sometimes this approach is chosen even when the info provided in the source is not actually wrong. Even the most deranged whackjobs, after all, sometimes base their arguments on things connected to the real world.

So, Poster A will share a story about the gub'mint doing xyz, and will state that therefore George Soros rapes babies while he discusses his plans to force everyone to be gay Muslims with Hilary Clinton.

And then Poster B shows us a whackjobometer asserting that Poster A's source is blleeaargh!!!111!!!

But what's this supposed to establish? In this hypothetical scenario, the government really did xyz. The authority of the source is not relevant - the same information was carried by the BBC, by CNN, by Fox, by Breitbart, by the Socialist Worker, etc etc etc., because it's true. The approach here is to point out that Poster A's disturbingly graphic fantasies about aging Jewish billionaires do not follow from the story's factual kernel.

If, instead of doing this, you post a whackjobometer, it doesn't look to me like a win for your argument. Instead, it makes me think of you whenever Poster A rants about how liberals can't think for themselves because Obama put mercury in their vaccines.

Just my two cents - do with this advise what you will.




Yes indeed it's only those pesky righties doing it, the left never uses whackjob sources.


Then again CNN, MSNBC, Washpo have become rather wackadoo themselves with the lying.
 
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I don't know what you mean by them being their baseline for accuracy. Do they do that?

They're not the Oracle. I'm not saying they're God's gift to journalism.

I tend to see media as "yes integrity or no integrity". I can live with a slight bias, as it's almost unavoidable.

Im not going to discuss " are leftists giving Jewish new Yorkers poison vaccinations" on its merits. "Oh well, yeah, there two sides to every story" .... No there isn't.
I don't discuss topics like that, because nobody ever wants to actually look at the facts, and the nuance. I ALSO try to avoid discussing anything mentioning Jews, there's no faster way to be called an anti-Semite or worse than to comment on anything relating to Israel or their people.
 
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Then how do you know they're "nutter articles"? Because someone else told you what to think about them or their source?
The very first paragraph lets you know if you are reading nutter bullshit, and if it is from a well known nutter site like Infowars, you don't even need to read the first paragraph. If a story is real news it will be on multiple legitimate sites, no reason to go the fringe right or left sites just to piss off people with hysterical hyperbole.
 
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I don't discuss topics like that, because nobody ever wants to actually look at the facts, and the nuance. I ALSO try to avoid discussing anything mentioning Jews, there's no faster way to be called an anti-Semite or worse than to comment on anything relating to Israel or their people.
That's what I'm saying, I don't want to look into the facts and nuance of pizzagate. I want to straight arm it like a 1950s running back.
 
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That's what I'm saying, I don't want to look into the facts and nuance of pizzagate. I want to straight arm it like a 1950s running back.
"Pizzagate" is a different story... I can understand why people would not want to even look at the evidence as that goes.

The diggers no longer refer to it as pizzagate though, because its not about that pizza place, but the pervasiveness of pedophilia (and worse) pervasive in Hollywood and politics. The most recent one was Kappy after his "suicide" apparently had a dead man switch that released some youtube videos calling out seth green and Spielberg as pedos.

In that area, the evidence gets so deep in NSFL category that I dont even want to describe the evidence.