Oregon man killed four members of his family

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Another example of why our nation needs to focus on better mental health care for its citizens. As noted in the article about this tragedy, Gago used edged and, possibly, other non-firearm weapons to murder his loved ones. Banning guns wouldn't have stopped this, but better mental health care and laws back them up would save lives.

Oregon deputies shoot man after he kills 4, including baby daughter
Mark Leo Gregory Gago, 42, killed his parents, his girlfriend and their infant daughter Saturday night before deputies shot him, the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office said.

The victims were not shot, The Oregonian reported . Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Brian Jensen said the causes of death will be investigated.

“We’re not sure what was used at this time,” Jensen told reporters near the scene Sunday. “I’ve been told that there were numerous weapons, swords, things of that nature in the residence. The investigators are trying to determine what exactly was used to kill each person.”

The sheriff’s office identified the victims as Olivia Gago, 9 months, Shaina Sweitzer, 31, Jerry Bremer, 66, and Pamela Bremer, 64.

 
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Unfortunately, there is not much public interest in funding such efforts.
Sadly true. Is there any doubt that if Gago had used an AR-15 to murder his family there'd be a lot of LW funding to ban guns?

Why do we keep chasing the feel good solutions and not the ones that actually cause the problems? Is it because banning guns is easier than funding medical research and enacting laws that are both helpful to mentally ill people but also Constitutional?
 

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Sadly true. Is there any doubt that if Gago had used an AR-15 to murder his family there'd be a lot of LW funding to ban guns?

Why do we keep chasing the feel good solutions and not the ones that actually cause the problems? Is it because banning guns is easier than funding medical research and enacting laws that are both helpful to mentally ill people but also Constitutional?
Oftentimes mental health problems do not become evident until something like the OP happens. Or its seriousness is not recognized ... after all, how many mass murders are there, really? The real problem is that we do not treat mental health problems as actual problems, but rather something one is expected to overcome on his own, and something others are to seek to avoid at all costs.

In the meantime ... yes, banning guns (or preventing inappropriate people from getting them) is easier, and at least attempts to attack the problem from one particular vector, since most mass murders (obviously not the one in the OP) are done with guns. It is only a symptom, albeit a big one, and constitutional difficulties abound.
 
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Another example of why our nation needs to focus on better mental health care for its citizens. As noted in the article about this tragedy, Gago used edged and, possibly, other non-firearm weapons to murder his loved ones. Banning guns wouldn't have stopped this, but better mental health care and laws back them up would save lives.

Oregon deputies shoot man after he kills 4, including baby daughter
Mark Leo Gregory Gago, 42, killed his parents, his girlfriend and their infant daughter Saturday night before deputies shot him, the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office said.

The victims were not shot, The Oregonian reported . Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Brian Jensen said the causes of death will be investigated.

“We’re not sure what was used at this time,” Jensen told reporters near the scene Sunday. “I’ve been told that there were numerous weapons, swords, things of that nature in the residence. The investigators are trying to determine what exactly was used to kill each person.”

The sheriff’s office identified the victims as Olivia Gago, 9 months, Shaina Sweitzer, 31, Jerry Bremer, 66, and Pamela Bremer, 64.
This guy killed people:

Based on his behavior in the video, what type of mental health care would fix that guy? If a guy like this was willing to take himself to therapy or a psychiatrist (which is probably a big if), they'd have to be willing to work with a guy like this.

Someone could try to commit him to a psychiatric hospital, but the admitting physician(s) might be very disinclined to take him or keep him, because something about having homicidal people in a mental health unit disrupts the therapeutic milieu for a lot of the rest of the patients.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you necessarily, but it's a lot easier said than done.
 
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This guy killed people:

Based on his behavior in the video, what type of mental health care would fix that guy? If a guy like this was willing to take himself to therapy or a psychiatrist (which is probably a big if), they'd have to be willing to work with a guy like this.

Someone could try to commit him to a psychiatric hospital, but the admitting physician(s) might be very disinclined to take him or keep him, because something about having homicidal people in a mental health unit disrupts the therapeutic milieu for a lot of the rest of the patients.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you necessarily, but it's a lot easier said than done.
Of course it's easier said than done which is why it's not being done. It's not even being attempted. The LWers would rather treat everyone as guilty by banning guns than to attack the real problem: lack of mental health care and supporting legislation.

44,000 suicides every year in our nation and nobody gives a shit unless they use a gun (about 50%) and then only as a statistic to fluff up their numbers.
 
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Oftentimes mental health problems do not become evident until something like the OP happens. Or its seriousness is not recognized ... after all, how many mass murders are there, really? The real problem is that we do not treat mental health problems as actual problems, but rather something one is expected to overcome on his own, and something others are to seek to avoid at all costs.

In the meantime ... yes, banning guns (or preventing inappropriate people from getting them) is easier, and at least attempts to attack the problem from one particular vector, since most mass murders (obviously not the one in the OP) are done with guns. It is only a symptom, albeit a big one, and constitutional difficulties abound.
Agreed with much of what you posted but disagree that the problems aren't evident. Family members and friends often note something is wrong but they lack the education and the legal tools to do anything about it. Like suicides, homicidal maniacs often telegraph their problems. How many times have the Facebook pages, previous actions or forum posts of these people been reviewed and found to have clues after the fact? We have members on this forum that say some very outrageous statements. Unless they cross a line and get themselves banned, nothing is done. Same for family members; they see the problem but can't do anything about it.

Most chronically homeless people have mental issues. Suicides and murders all have mental health components. We, as a society, aren't even trying to fix it. Education would be a start. Screening would be next. We push physicals every year. Periodic pap smears, mammograms and prostate checks but never a mental health check. Why? For one thing there is no such thing as a "mental health check". Why aren't they as routine as an annual physical?
 
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The LWers would rather treat everyone as guilty by banning guns than to attack the real problem: lack of mental health care and supporting legislation.
RWers do not want to spend any public money on mental (or any other) health problems. This is not a partisan problem, much as it is made out to be one. The left wants no guns; the right wants more guns.
 
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