Paid family leave

Sparta

Former Staff
Aug 2006
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#43
Employer:

Pays you to do a job youre not doing.

Has to hire and train someone to do your job.

Has to lay that person off when you come back.

As a result of the layoff has to pay more in unemployment insurance.
 
Oct 2011
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#44
Trump, at the bequest of Ivanka, is pushing for paid family leave for everyone upon the birth of a child.

Currently everyone is allowed 12 weeks but it is unpaid.

Trump wants to change that and this has been a key issue with Ivanka.

He says if your company won't do it then the government will pay for it.

Marco Rubio introduced a bill awhile ago that would deduct that leave from your social security but that failed miserably so now the plan is to pull it out of the unemployment fund.

Do you agree with this plan of Trumps?

Currently we are the only civilized nation without paid time off for family leave outside of your employer policy or some states that offer it.

Your thoughts?

Oh yea, Trump wants to include adoption under this also.
We're the only civilized nation without many things including free healthcare, but Ivanka shows Trump a little Titty and all of a sudden Trump's mister nice guy. One more reason nepotism shouldn't be allowed in the Government Labor Force, especially in the White House.
 

HCProf

Moderator
Sep 2014
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#45
it discriminates against those who dont have children.
It doesn't have to just include maternity. It could be like the family leave act with a percentage of pay instead of nothing. We have the sandwich generation going on as well.....working people who take care of elderly loved ones and raising families. Every one will experience this at least once in their lifetimes. There has been talk about extending unemployment to cover those participating in the family leave act. This could be just one thing that could help the middle class out as well. After all, most of the middle class has paid in enough taxes to cover it.
 
Feb 2015
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sadness
#46
This post suggests that new parents who stop working for a temporary period of time after the birth of a child are actually slacking off, and that people who don't have children don't get to do that, so it would be unfair to pay the new parents. Speaking as a full-timer worker with no children, if that's what you're implying, get with the times. We are far beyond the society where a stay-at-home parent who has full-time housekeeping and child-rearing responsibilities "isn't working." It is an established fact that parental bonding with their newborn, time off following a stressful childbirth, usage of free time to plan for the return to one's career and how the children will be looked after during that time, all of these things are unqualified benefits to society.

i am suggesting that if you are going to give paid time off.... then thoes without children should be allowed the same paid time off for the asking....
 
Feb 2015
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#47
It doesn't have to just include maternity. It could be like the family leave act with a percentage of pay instead of nothing. We have the sandwich generation going on as well.....working people who take care of elderly loved ones and raising families. Every one will experience this at least once in their lifetimes. There has been talk about extending unemployment to cover those participating in the family leave act. This could be just one thing that could help the middle class out as well. After all, most of the middle class has paid in enough taxes to cover it.
Its 3 months vacation pay..... I dont really care what the problem is. Baby, parents.... or a nice long stay in hawaii. Its 3 months off your job for personal reasons. Its 3 months that the rest of your co workers have to pick up their slack. What if you are a small business and several people having babies at the same time? Do you give it to some and not others?

And then what do you do with the workers who have a baby a year? How is that fair to those without children?
 

Singularity

Former Staff
Oct 2009
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#49
i am suggesting that if you are going to give paid time off.... then thoes without children should be allowed the same paid time off for the asking....
I am suggesting that my entire point sailed right over your head. Neonatal family leave is not "paid time off." It is an acknowledgement from the employer that a parent to a newborn can't be reasonably expected to see to the emergent needs of their new child and work full time at the same time. They are not going on vacation, they are not even taking a break. Parenting a newborn is hard, hard work and reasonable people stopped regarding parental leave as equivalent to PTO a long time ago.
 
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