Pelosi: Democrats not even close to backing impeachment

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There are only 18 days left to work for Congress until mid September. By then the 2020 campaign will be in full swing.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Tuesday that House Democrats are “not even close” to backing an impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

Pelosi was asked at an event in Washington, D.C. if she would support launching impeachment proceedings if over half of her 235 Democratic members did. “It’s not even close in our caucus,” Pelosi told the moderator, CNN’s Manu Raju. “Why are we speculating on hypotheticals?" she asked.

Pelosi faces mounting pressure from rank-and-file Democrats, some committee chairmen and even members of her own leadership team who are pushing for an impeachment inquiry.

But pro-impeachment Democrats still represent fewer than one quarter of the total number of Pelosi’s caucus. The Speaker, who lived through former President Richard Nixon’s impeachment and served in Congress during former President Bill Clinton’s, has warned that moving to impeach Trump would rip the country apart.

Pelosi: House Democrats 'not even close' to backing impeachment
 

Singularity

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As long as Trump polls roughly even with the Democratic field in Texas, and is losing to Biden, the Dems have no desire to remove him from office.

That's just the reality of the matter here. It is a political calculation that the country is sick and tired of Trump as a person, but for the sake of democracy and the office of the president, wants him voted out, not removed. They have good reasons for thinking this way, but they also risk alienating their base if the scandals worsen and they do nothing.

The problem is, their hesitancy to impeach will be treated by Trump as evidence that he has nothing to worry about until at least November 2020, and nothing to lose after that.

So, the scandals will worsen.
 
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As long as Trump polls roughly even with the Democratic field in Texas, and is losing to Biden, the Dems have no desire to remove him from office.

That's just the reality of the matter here. It is a political calculation that the country is sick and tired of Trump as a person, but for the sake of democracy and the office of the president, wants him voted out, not removed. They have good reasons for thinking this way, but they also risk alienating their base if the scandals worsen and they do nothing.

The problem is, their hesitancy to impeach will be treated by Trump as evidence that he has nothing to worry about until at least November 2020, and nothing to lose after that.

So, the scandals will worsen.
Absolutely. I still just am not sure Biden can win the D primary. Trump wants Warren or Sanders badly so he can harp on the socialism. Trump also mentioned something last week about him being "vindicated" by Mueller. So I also think he will certainly use that in 2020 if Ds dont impeach. He will claim his vindication all over at rallies or worse say Ds are weak and afraid to take him on. Pelosi is smart to hold her ground for now but she better be darn sure her party will get behind whoever wins the primary because she wont want infighting and regretting she didnt go into impeachment. Its a balancing act for sure and right now Pelosi is winning.
 

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Yeah, many of her flock are too stupid to know that, though.

They are determined to shoot themselves in the foot...
Maybe.

It might also be that the GOP has votes too and they won't impeach someone who's on their team, without regard to the merit of it. Pelosi probably doesn't want to impeach and lose, and give Trump another reason to lie about being totally vindicated.
 
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Maybe.

It might also be that the GOP has votes too and they won't impeach someone who's on their team, without regard to the merit of it. Pelosi probably doesn't want to impeach and lose, and give Trump another reason to lie about being totally vindicated.
Your second sentence pretty much says it all.

And Nancy knows it...
 

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Absolutely. I still just am not sure Biden can win the D primary. Trump wants Warren or Sanders badly so he can harp on the socialism. Trump also mentioned something last week about him being "vindicated" by Mueller. So I also think he will certainly use that in 2020 if Ds dont impeach. He will claim his vindication all over at rallies or worse say Ds are weak and afraid to take him on. Pelosi is smart to hold her ground for now but she better be darn sure her party will get behind whoever wins the primary because she wont want infighting and regretting she didnt go into impeachment. Its a balancing act for sure and right now Pelosi is winning.
The other factor is that if Trump were to be impeached and removed, he would not only be criminally vulnerable, he would also be officially deprived of the title and privileges of a former president. This includes an office, full time staff, Secret Service protection and an enormous pension, in addition to all the honors and dignities it brings in official settings.

This is ultimately why Nixon decided to resign rather than be removed, in addition to his decision to chance that he would get a pardon from Ford. (Unlike some liberals, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Ford promised Nixon a pardon at any point. All evidence indicates that he agonized extensively over the decision and felt bad about it, while never wavering in the assurance of its necessity, to his dying day.) Nixon wanted the perks, it had formed part of his identity.

Not only does Trump have no financial or personal need for the perks, he would actually capitalize off of being deprived of them, turn himself into a martyr. And he would certainly do flatly illegitimate (but not quite illegal) things like continue to use the presidential seal in official circumstances. Removing him would not get rid of him. Not even close.

Kicking his ass in 2020 might do the trick. If Biden or someone else can truly tear him down, sweep across the country with ruby red states in his or her pocket, then Trump might actually realize that his time is done and he'll just fuck off. That's the only way to break the fever that I see at this stage. It probably won't work, but it's worth a shot.

Finally, if Trump is removed, Pence will do what Ford refused to do and not only pardon him, but proclaim his innocence in doing so. It would shatter the country.
 

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she's actually right. The media is pushing impeachment. It's all they seem to want to ask Pelosi about. She knows what she's doing and it's working just the way she planned it. Impeachment is a political process. People seem to keep forgetting that. She was asked if she has a "duty" to impeach Trump if he's committed an impeachable offense? Well, no. If that were the case then it wouldn't be a political process.
 
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