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Exactly. With little regard for income, btw. If it were a tax based system, you would be paying far less for your coverage than the system we have now, which simply subsidizes the high cost of insurance through the Marketplace plans.

The reason it's confusing and complicated is so the insurance companies have a reason to exist. They aren't providing healthcare, they're only providing financing for payments, which, if one wishes to go commando and pay their medical expenses themselves, are extraordinarily high simply so they can negotiate down with an entity (insurance companies) who's entire job is to stick their hands in the middle of a financial transaction between patient and doctor and skim everyone involved.
There it is, economic predation with no value added. The rest of the advanced world has figured this all out and has better healthcare outcomes for less expense. But not us because, fweedumb. We will be globally competitive by not investing in a healthy educated society like others do. It is written.
 
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I don't think Bernie could have won. What you see them doing to AOC is exactly what they would do to Bernie, and while he deserves credit for rallying the base to quit thinking "this is best we can do" when in comes to the Democratic Party and their constant selling out, he doesn't have ability to present any of his vision as reasonable legislation. Look at Warren, she's doing what Bernie needed to do in 2016, which is the nuts and bolts of how this will work to alleviate the fear the middle class has of *gasp* socialism in regards to health care and the lies the Republicans have been telling about it since Reagan made all those commercials in the 60's that Medicare would destroy our health care system.

Those need to be reaired, IMO.

Gov't contolled HC will certainly destroy it. The VA is an example.
 
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That's because it forces them to subsidize unhealthy older people at a point in their life that they, for the most part, do not require expensive healthcare. Socialism always sounds great until you realize you're the one getting the shaft.
You are using the single payer model as if taxes paid are premiums to be set aside as claims reserves. That model doesn't actually translate directly for universal health care.

There will need to be limits on coverage and IMO, much restriction on care for the aged. Likewise, challenges will be presented if cancer and Alzheimer's are cured. Old people who are very frail and need care but do not die (high morbidity, low mortality) are a nightmare to fund.

But universal health care has big savings, mostly in processing. Market power to buy drugs and equipment at cost-plus, rather than the obscene profit levels capitalism creates. Etc.

The numbers have been run over and over, and nobody thinks it will be easy. But it is the only way to deliver care to every human living here.
 
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I don't think Bernie could have won. What you see them doing to AOC is exactly what they would do to Bernie, and while he deserves credit for rallying the base to quit thinking "this is best we can do" when in comes to the Democratic Party and their constant selling out, he doesn't have ability to present any of his vision as reasonable legislation. Look at Warren, she's doing what Bernie needed to do in 2016, which is the nuts and bolts of how this will work to alleviate the fear the middle class has of *gasp* socialism in regards to health care and the lies the Republicans have been telling about it since Reagan made all those commercials in the 60's that Medicare would destroy our health care system.

Those need to be reaired, IMO.

Yes, the system, will go after anyone who represents the people.
 
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Gov't contolled HC will certainly destroy it. The VA is an example.
The rest of the advanced world shows us all otherwise via example, not sloganeering, and single payer is not govt controlled healthcare. Do you not understand this?
 
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I don't think Bernie could have won. What you see them doing to AOC is exactly what they would do to Bernie, and while he deserves credit for rallying the base to quit thinking "this is best we can do" when in comes to the Democratic Party and their constant selling out, he doesn't have ability to present any of his vision as reasonable legislation. Look at Warren, she's doing what Bernie needed to do in 2016, which is the nuts and bolts of how this will work to alleviate the fear the middle class has of *gasp* socialism in regards to health care and the lies the Republicans have been telling about it since Reagan made all those commercials in the 60's that Medicare would destroy our health care system.

Those need to be reaired, IMO.

I'm willing to consider Warren, but. I don't trust her all that much because of her past relationship with Hillary.

I want a candidate who will end mass incarceration and criminalization of poverty.
 
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I don't think Bernie could have won. What you see them doing to AOC is exactly what they would do to Bernie, and while he deserves credit for rallying the base to quit thinking "this is best we can do" when in comes to the Democratic Party and their constant selling out, he doesn't have ability to present any of his vision as reasonable legislation. Look at Warren, she's doing what Bernie needed to do in 2016, which is the nuts and bolts of how this will work to alleviate the fear the middle class has of *gasp* socialism in regards to health care and the lies the Republicans have been telling about it since Reagan made all those commercials in the 60's that Medicare would destroy our health care system.

Those need to be reaired, IMO.


Democrats have become expert election losers because they refuse to support a candidate who is imperfect, and there are no perfect candidates.
 
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You are using the single payer model as if taxes paid are premiums to be set aside as claims reserves. That model doesn't actually translate directly for universal health care.

There will need to be limits on coverage and IMO, much restriction on care for the aged. Likewise, challenges will be presented if cancer and Alzheimer's are cured. Old people who are very frail and need care but do not die (high morbidity, low mortality) are a nightmare to fund.

But universal health care has big savings, mostly in processing. Market power to buy drugs and equipment at cost-plus, rather than the obscene profit levels capitalism creates. Etc.

The numbers have been run over and over, and nobody thinks it will be easy. But it is the only way to deliver care to every human living here.
Goldman Sachs: Curing Cancer is ‘NOT a Sustainable Business Model’
Treating sick people is far more profitable than curing them, according to Goldman Sachs.
Goldman Sachs: Curing Cancer is 'NOT a Sustainable Business Model'
Who wants cures, big pharma? The insurance industry?
 
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Democrats have become expert election losers because they refuse to support a candidate who is imperfect, and there are no perfect candidates.
Yes, yes, we should stick to the lesser of the two evils the donor class allows us. Another corporatist Wall Street backed pimp please.
 
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