Progressives warn they will sink minimum wage bill if moderates alter it

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Liberal Democrats warned Wednesday that they are ready to sink a bill to increase the minimum wage if the legislation is amended ahead of the vote.

Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), who co-chair the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said members of the group are poised to vote en masse against the Democrats' bill to hike the wage floor to $15 per hour if a procedural motion offered by the Republicans is adopted beforehand.

The message is a clear warning to moderate Democrats, some of whom have joined Republicans this year in supporting last-minute procedural gambits — known as motions to recommit — that grant the minority party a last-ditch opportunity to alter legislation just before the final vote.

Liberal Democrats warn: We'll sink minimum wage bill if moderates change it
 
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Liberal Democrats warned Wednesday that they are ready to sink a bill to increase the minimum wage if the legislation is amended ahead of the vote.

Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), who co-chair the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said members of the group are poised to vote en masse against the Democrats' bill to hike the wage floor to $15 per hour if a procedural motion offered by the Republicans is adopted beforehand.

The message is a clear warning to moderate Democrats, some of whom have joined Republicans this year in supporting last-minute procedural gambits — known as motions to recommit — that grant the minority party a last-ditch opportunity to alter legislation just before the final vote.

Liberal Democrats warn: We'll sink minimum wage bill if moderates change it
To be honest it's time both parties just split.

The corporatists and liberals inside the democratic party are no longer compatible - nor are the global free marketers and protectionists inside the Republican party. Partisans hungry for more power and corporate pay offs are really the only thing keeping these factions together. The American people lose - and the corporations and special interests win - when we are divided along invented lines of hate and manufactured racism.

I so wish there was some way we could simply outlaw forming political parties in this country. Because these parties are the real antipathy to democracy.
 
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Liberal Democrats warned Wednesday that they are ready to sink a bill to increase the minimum wage if the legislation is amended ahead of the vote.

Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), who co-chair the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said members of the group are poised to vote en masse against the Democrats' bill to hike the wage floor to $15 per hour if a procedural motion offered by the Republicans is adopted beforehand.

The message is a clear warning to moderate Democrats, some of whom have joined Republicans this year in supporting last-minute procedural gambits — known as motions to recommit — that grant the minority party a last-ditch opportunity to alter legislation just before the final vote.

Liberal Democrats warn: We'll sink minimum wage bill if moderates change it
It makes sense that any last minute maneuver that bastardizes the intent of the bill would cause its sponsors to kill it. But the bill's design kind of forces this extremism. We have to either agree to more than double the minimum wage across the board, or it's dead? Pretty all-or-nothing.

Sadly many people automatically support the bill or automatically reject it just at face value. It would be better if more substantive discussion went along with bills like this.
 
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It makes sense that any last minute maneuver that bastardizes the intent of the bill would cause its sponsors to kill it. But the bill's design kind of forces this extremism. We have to either agree to more than double the minimum wage across the board all at once, or it's dead? Pretty all-or-nothing.

Sadly many people automatically support the bill or automatically reject it just at face value. It would be better if more substantive discussion went along with bills like this.
Raising the minimum wage is pointless so long as illegal immigration is out of control. All it will do is encourage more businesses to hire illegals off the books (which is already what a lot of them do).
 
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It makes sense that any last minute maneuver that bastardizes the intent of the bill would cause its sponsors to kill it. But the bill's design kind of forces this extremism. We have to either agree to more than double the minimum wage across the board, or it's dead? Pretty all-or-nothing.

Sadly many people automatically support the bill or automatically reject it just at face value. It would be better if more substantive discussion went along with bills like this.
Yea more than doubling it will certainly scare small businesses. We are trying to do that in NH and the businesses are screaming. I dont know the exact details of this bill but it will be interesting to see if it goes completely up at once or done over 5 years or so.
 
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Raising the minimum wage is pointless so long as illegal immigration is out of control. All it will do is encourage more businesses to hire illegals off the books (which is already what a lot of them do).
Yup. Our local Craigslist has a section now on places to find undocumented workers who are day laborers. The unions are pissed and trying to get law enforcement to rein them in but to no avail. You cant have sanctuary or welcoming cities and then have the unions yelling to arrest these people because they are at Home Depot and Lowes parking lots offering their skills.
 
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Raising the minimum wage is pointless so long as illegal immigration is out of control. All it will do is encourage more businesses to hire illegals off the books (which is already what a lot of them do).
I don't really see that being the case. The deeper issue with the minimum wage is that:

1) it further divides the tens of millions with stable jobs from the tens of millions with no stable job (or any job), whose labor isn't worth $15+ per hour relative to alternative staffing or production options (including automation and outsourcing). To the extent that prices go up (which depends on the given employer's reliance on low wage labor), those costs are only trivial if you're a worker that is also benefiting from rising wages. Higher prices don't help if you're out of the labor force or unemployed or intermittently employed.

2) it's a much harder and more abrupt adjustment to make for everywhere that is currently lower cost and has a lower minimum wage currently, compared to those that aren't. A lot of big cities and the liberal coastal elite types of places aren't going to be bothered at all, because a lot of them have already raised their own minimums and the cost of living there has already necessitated higher wages just to convince people to take those jobs. But all of flyover America will be struggling to adjust to this.

Even though it's phased in over 4-5 years, that's still a federal requirement to raise your wage expense by over 15% per year each of those years.
 
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I don't really see that being the case. The deeper issue with the minimum wage is that:

1) further divides the tens of millions with stable jobs from the tens of millions with no stable job (or any job), whose labor isn't worth $15+ per hour relative to alternative staffing or production options (including automation and outsourcing).

2) it's a much harder and more abrupt adjustment to make for everywhere that is currently lower cost and has a lower minimum wage currently, compared to those that aren't.
Outsourcing is basically the same as hiring illegal immigrants. The only difference is that instead of going abroad for cheap labor they simply import it illegally across our border. So if you see outsourcing as an issue as it relates to minimum wage - you have to really include illegal immigration as well.
 

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