Reparations to the left. White Nationalism to the right. Here We Are. Stunk in the Middle Again

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This is potentially problematic for dems. It plays into Trumps socialist mantra by getting rid of the ACA and putting in this single payer plan which eliminates insurers.

Sanders unveils revamped 'Medicare for All' plan
Hopefully, it will just be a problem with the candidates that are pushing for it. I don't think Sanders is going to win the primary with his extremist policy proposals. This time around I also don't think he's going to get away without being called out on them. Hillary went too soft on him. He shouldn't be disrespected. But, this time he seriously needs to be challenged more forcefully.
 
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I think the biggest fear concerning Bernie is he doesnt like either party. He routinely runs as a democrat and then when he wins he shuns the party and re-registers as an independent. Imagine him winning the D nomination and then re upping as an indie???? That would essentially leave dems without a candidate. Yet he does this all the time in Vermont. I think the biggest problem with him is that his past videos will surface where he praises the Soviets and says Americas two parties are corrupt. It could be very damaging.
There's a lot in his past that didn't get litigated last election. Hillary decided early on not to go there. Most likely because she was such an easy target herself.
 
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There's a lot in his past that didn't get litigated last election. Hillary decided early on not to go there. Most likely because her past was such an easy target.
But I think with such a large field there really wont be time to go after any single candidate thoroughly. His supporters already know about his past and dont care. But for moderates or maybe supporters of other candidates what happens if he wins and there is Trump showing photos of him praising the Soviet Union? I personally am not sure he can win the primaries but its certainly concerning if he does.
 
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not sure what genius thought it was a good idea to make reparations part of the Dems platform. It apparently took hold among civil rights activists on social media. Any information regarding that would be much appreciated. Someone on this site, I forget who, said that it's like Democrats don't want to win the election. Well, I have to agree with that. Reparations is too emotionally fraught to be a campaign issue. It won't matter if it's just a study with no tax payer funded compensations. People won't care. On one side they'll dig in because they feel they're being punished for something their ancestors did. And it won't be pretty. On the other side, they'll dig in because the anger and bitter resentment will most certainly generate offensive language.

It's easy to chart the origins of the push to support White Nationalism , though. That's coming directly from the WH. Trump apparently sees it as the last best hope of being elected again. He knows it's going to be difficult to repeat the slim electoral college success of his last election. He's pissed too many people off. And , let's face it, it's unlikely he'll have a opponent that's as unpopular as he is - like when he ran against Hillary. His best bet is to drive the popularity of his opponent down. And the best way to do that is with an issue as emotionally charged and divisive as reparations. White Nationalism fits right in with his divisive message about immigrants. It's a match made in heaven. His goal being to get a certain voters demographic out to vote that doesn't normally vote in elections. Essentially the "Southern Strategy" on steroids.

Which leaves us, the voters, stuck in the middle again. If we were hoping for an election based on policy we haven't really been paying attention. Trump will do his best to make sure that doesn't happen. And it won't matter if Democrats are trying to run respectable campaigns. Because, these two issues alone will bitterly divide the nation. The only possible scenario where we might avoid that fate would be if the Dems nominate someone as charismatic as Obama. Otherwise. We're doomed. Chances are the Dems will do what they do best , instead. Find a way to lose against Trump yet again. Of course, there's also a chance that the candidates will decide to actually run on the things the voters think are important. Always a chance. Right? Maybe they'll have town halls this election , instead of big rallies. Actually talking to the voters.

Always a chance.

Right?


bullshit race baiting false premise. the mainstream progressive democrat party faction wants reparations, the republican party denounces white nationalism.
 
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Look back. I suggested Howard Schultz. I said the Dems should talk him into running Democrat instead of Independent. He made a lot of sense.
Yes lets nominate another one of those CEO types for president. Who can't seem to understand that the USA can't be run like a corporation.
 
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Too bad the white supremacists/nationalists are not denouncing the GOP


John wayne gacey was a clown who raped and murdered kids. he was also a democrat captain in the party, whatever that is. He didn't denounce the Democrat party, therefore is all the democrat party clown killing pedophiles?


Your line of thinking is stupid, yo.
 
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the watchman

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But I think with such a large field there really wont be time to go after any single candidate thoroughly. His supporters already know about his past and dont care. But for moderates or maybe supporters of other candidates what happens if he wins and there is Trump showing photos of him praising the Soviet Union? I personally am not sure he can win the primaries but its certainly concerning if he does.
He'll be running as a millionaire this time around. If that matters. He also never got challenged on the fact that he's been in congress all these years with little to show for it. It was different last time around because , again, Hillary went easy on him. There is a large field. So , this time around he has to defend his front runner status. They'll be a huge field of candidates vying to get on the debate stage. He's now taken ownership of the "medicare for all" policy proposal. He staked out a position to the left of the other front runners. Based solely on a signature issue that he has no chance of passing, he can't pay for, and which will be challenging because it eliminates private healthcare. Basically, the same old Bernie that's been in Congress all these years with little to show for it. Except using the name recognition he got in the last election to sale his book and become a millionaire. Proposing yet another pipe dream.
 
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