Russian Heroes

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#51
The Huns are generally considered to have been a Turkic people; they may very well be descended from the Xiong-Nu people that the Han Dynasty of China repeatedly fought over a period of centuries before the Chinese finally inflicted a crushing defeat on them in the late 1st century AD, which may have sent the Xiong-Nu people westward, where a few centuries later they end up in Europe known as the Huns.

The Hungarians, in contrast, are descended from the Magyar tribes that invaded Europe much later, around the 8th and 9th centuries AD. The Magyars/Hungarians were a Uralic people.

Despite the similarity of the names, there is NO connection between the Huns and the Hungarians.
 
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I should note that many Hungarians of today CLAIM to be descended from the Huns:

The Magyars (Hungarians) in particular lay claim to Hunnic heritage. Although Magyar tribes only began to settle in the geographical area of present-day Hungary in the very end of the 9th century, some 450 years after the dissolution of the Hunnic tribal confederation, Hungarian prehistory includes Magyar origin myths, which may have preserved some elements of historical truth. The Huns who invaded Europe represented a loose coalition of various peoples, so some Magyars might have been part of it, or may later have joined descendants of Attila's men, who still claimed the name of Huns. The national anthem of Hungary describes the Hungarians as "blood of Bendegúz'" (the medieval and modern Hungarian version of Mundzuk, Attila's father). Attila's brother Bleda is called Buda in modern Hungarian. Some medieval chronicles and literary works derive the name of the city of Buda from him. There is a legend among the Székely people that says: "After the death of Attila, in the bloody Battle of Krimhilda, 3000 Hun warriors managed to escape, to settle in a place called "Csigle-mező" (today Transylvania) and they changed their name from Huns to Szekler (Székely)."

LeRoy: But modern anthropologists tend to dismiss these claims. Note that there is a serious TIME GAP of almost half a millennium between the end of the Hunnic Empire in Europe (after the death of Attila) and the arrival of the Magyars in Europe. At best, the Hunnic tribes that invaded Europe in the fifth century AD may have had some Magyar components, picked up along the way from the Eastern Steppes to the Western Steppes, because at that time the Magyars would have been living in the taiga zone just north of the Central Steppes.
 
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The Man

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#53
I wonder if the Huns were related to the Pechenegi, a ferocious Turkic warrior tribe from the Southern steppes, from the Volga river, in early Middle Ages


Ancient Russians waged brutal wars against them, under the likes of Svyatoslav I

That's the head of then king of the Pechengs he is holding there, so, yeah, the Russians won that particular war lol It didn't always end that way though haha
 
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#54
I wonder if the Huns were related to the Pechenegi, a ferocious Turkic warrior tribe from the Southern steppes, from the Volga river, in early Middle Ages


Ancient Russians waged brutal wars against them, under the likes of Svyatoslav I

That's the head of then king of the Pechengs he is holding there, so, yeah, the Russians won that particular war lol It didn't always end that way though haha
The Pechenegs were most definitely a Turkic group, and so, since the Huns were almost certainly a Turkic group as well, then yes, they would have been related. How closely related is a bit of a mystery.

I recently bought a Great Course on the Barbarian Empires of the Steppes, narrated by a Professor Kenneth Harl of Tulane University. He's a bit of a dull lecturer, but clearly knows his stuff. I'm not even a fourth of the way through the DVDs yet, but this is a topic, the history of Central Asia, that has ALWAYS fascinated me deeply.
 
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